The_Chaser_One

I learnt not very long ago that skepticism is often founded. Fortunately, this time, they were indeed wrong! And even better : the compatibility version will soon be done!

Hello there! Sleheyron Story mode is out on here and on NexusMods. You can already play it if you install it manually. About compatibility : Placeables are indeed an issue. However, for Sao's Sleheyron Story mode, it is actually a relatively small one, as it doesn't add half of what was added by BOSSR. Which means it could theoretically even be completely compatible with K1R. At any rate, this shouldn't cause any incompatibility with neither K1CP nor RC-K1CP. However, the main issue is patching existing modules, 2da files, dialog.tlk and global.jrl. Idk how much you know about KOTOR modding, but these files are very annoying : either you replace them, or you patch them (meaning adding new files and modifying others for modules, and adding/modifying rows in the tlk/jrl/2da, all of that inside the said files) with TSLPatcher or HoloPatcher (more modern and efficient so this mod will use the second one). Setting up the Patcher thus takes some time, which is why he said some additional work will be needed in the future. FYI, I am currently working on setting up Holopatcher to help players install the mod. This does not mean that I'll fix every compatibility issue right now, but that you'll be able to install the mod with the Patcher, for Sleheyron Story mode 1.1. As it is already out, we might make Holopatcher patch everything. I'll see with Sao about it. Anyway, more compatibility will be added in the relatively near future.

@N-DReW25 Thanks for explaining the veterans point of view. Really appreciated. Thanks for the tip aswell, and yeah I was indeed quoting FairStrides. I have to disagree with you on one point : "The sale of mods in the Kotor Modding Community is prohibited, hence why that part is moot." Still, why ? Obviously it's prohibited, but it's not what I meant. What I meant is SAO is doing a great job, and as I said, "Even if it's supposed to be free, it's still a lot of work. Work that's not paid in any way, which can make the schedule change (everyone has a life 😅). So he's giving something to us. I don't feel like we can expect anything in a severe way." I also said that I agree with you on that he probably shouldn't have shared a deadline. But again, he didn't know it would be that much of an issue and is very ambitious for his mod. I think I understand now. Well yeah obviously I'm not the team leader 😅 "Sao hasn't publicly announced that you're on the Sleheyron: Story Mode dev team" : Obviously, he basically hasn't announced anything publicly, except for some Screenshots, the mod idea and the "deadline". And the "dev team" idea is pretty big. I'm helping and beta testing as much as I can, but if you mean "dev team" in a professional way, I don't think we can say there's one. Last point : imo, he underestimates quite a lot the "last details" steps (last bug fixes, setting up Holopatcher, testing it and fixing it).

@Fair Strides "While you do seem to edit your posts a lot instead of taking the time to craft a reply, my comment was not out of trust." Yeah sorry about all the edits, I'm trying to reply fast but perhaps I should take my time a bit more, especially since being french doesn't help while discussing stuff like that in english. Thanks for "my comment was not out of trust." "Most mods are free, so that part is moot." : Well, why ? Even if it's supposed to be free, it's still a lot of work. Work that's not paid in any way, which can make the schedule change (everyone has a life 😅). So he's giving something to us. I don't feel like we can expect anything in a severe way. Look at SithSpecter's project. From what I understood, it's been 20 years since he's announced it, or at least since he's been working on it. You'll tell me, he didn't give a deadline. Fine, but what do you prefer ? Waiting 20 years or waiting 6 months + 1 additional because the deadline given was a bit short ? "The culture iwth modding has always been very aware of the amount of time that goes into a hobby, I assure you." : I understand what you mean. But still, it IS a lot of work. "SAO has also not heeded much in the way of advice given by SH or others with such an ambitious starting project, even with such basic things as sharing screenshots here of their project" : I've read SH's advices on SAO's project and this time it's me who can assure you something : he definitely listened to SH's advices. Indeed, he took more time to improve the overall quality of the mod ; he diversified the sound files as well as lips for better realism ; He fixed a lot of issues that almost only fellow modders would see ; he did send some screenshots, even if I agree with you, he could make a bit more. But are you sure you want this ? What about the surprise ? "Whether I trust you or not is also moot, since you're not trying to release or upload the mod." : I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. "You entered in with a lot of support from out of nowhere, hence SH's white-knighting comment" : Indeed, I'm supporting SAO because I believe it's a worthy project. And the guy really has good intentions and does an amazing work. "From out of no where" ? Well, tbf, I myself am pretty new to modding in general and modding Kotor in particular. So yeah, I'm basically "coming out of nowhere". But didn't you all too at some point ? I understood SH's comment, don't worry, and the "white-knighting" is understandable. It's more the "making false promises" that annoyed me, because of my reasons already explained at the beginning of this text (a lot of free work). "with this being the first mention that you're helping and beta-testing." : Sorry about that too. I just didn't feel the need to precise that but ig I should have. My bad on this one. "but not all critique and criticism is wrong" : Of course ! It's just the way he said it that bothered me a little. As I said earlier, I usually like reading SH's comments because they're constructive and very interesting. Which wasn't the case here, as you noticed. "And SAO can share what details they're okay with sharing here." : Definitely ! And he will ! Or maybe not, then you'll have to wait until the mod's done... (dw, you won't have to wait 2 years )

@Fair Strides I see what you mean. They are right about the deadline not being an actual deadline and SAO being too ambitious. I was just saying that it doesnt seem fair to me to reproach that when he's doing his best to make his mod exhaustive and well detailed, as SH was worried about. Especially when we'll all get the finished mod for free. And as I'm helping SAO and beta testing his mod, I consider myself "associated with the project". If you don't trust me, you can always ask him yourself what he thinks "Getting upset when called out on it is rather poor form" : Well, as far as I'm aware, no one "called out on" me "giving updates and sharing projected schedules" , and thus I didnt "get upset" about it... And yeah, I'm giving a large time range (so not very accurate, indeed) because he needs to do some more stuff such as setting HoloPatcher. Because yes, he's trying to make it compatible with K1CP and RC K1CP (not like other big mods, if you see what I mean).

I have no reason to do that. You often make constructive and good remarks. I like being able to read your advices, such as DarthParametric's. But this is just bad.

Bro wtf. Did you pay him to do his enormous mod ? No ? He's doing it for free, for us. So yeah, you'll have to wait a little bit more, as we all do. Furthermore, according to you, "Mod release deadlines are for those that don't care about quality". Well guess what ? He missed his deadline. You should be relieved by that...

@Sith Holocron Why can't you be nicer... He was just a bit too ambitious, but it will be out very soon. If you're that much against it why don't you go help SithSpecter ?