Ebony Moon

I got an Xbox and both games second hand, mostly because I was curious about the picture of Nihilus. I played K1 first because my friends were telling me that I should play that one, as I was going to play the second one. I'm glad I did.

Here's an excellent tutorial that explains everything about custom lightsabers. It's helped me a lot in making my own personal tweaks on the 'sabers in my game. Note the part where he speaks about the problem with adding power crystals. Adding it through TSL patcher might overcome that. If you want to make custom animations for the lightsaber blade, his tutorial on txi's gives that information.

After Dantooine, it's Tatooine, Korriban, Kashyyk, and Manaan.

This is discouraging because it deters people from making new mods. Who wants to see their stuff highjacked like this?

what robes are these? The screenie is from this page: I've been looking through robe mods and don't see them. Found it: https://www.gamefront.com/games/knights-of-the-old-republic/file/k1-prequel-style-robes

If you locate Darth Plagueis, I recommend Lockdown. It's about Darth Maul, but the two books tie into each other and show the dynamics between Plagueis and Sidious. Very entertaining.

I don't use HK-47 beyond what unlocks his convo and the Force boost. I don't use T3 after Peragus, though I like raises his stats to max, and gaining the Moving Mediation. I find it hard to level up HK to what I like, and probably because I've played the droids in K1, I like something different for K2. It's easy for me to level up G0-T0 to something useful for my play. I like taking G0-T0 into the Tomb of Freedon Nad and the Royal Palace, and Dantooine. G0-T0 amuses me. But I'm kind of strange 😛

I'm opposite with Revan and Exile. But My DS Exile plays a major part in Revan's conquering the galaxy in my own little story. My Exile is fun to play and fun to write about, but I haven't gotten a real feel for his character the way I have with Revan. But that may change if I write more about him. As for your mod project,. maybe you should post a to do list and keep that updated, so you will not only keep us updated, it will help you keep a focus.Listing can be very effective. Another thing, what Sith Holocron pointed out, don't get hung up on the names of all the star ships, or, don't get hung up with Kreia's final dialogue or all the details. There's no rule that you have to conform to every part of it, as long as you keep the spirit of the game. You're not making the characters liars, it's just minor inconsistencies that might crop up in even the best works. Some may not like that, but it's your mod, and they can make their own mod if they don't like what you've done. Ultimately you should be making the mod that you want to play.

Revan is pretty capable, but I don't think he was that much of a mastermind. There's something about Revan going through a time of weakness and amnesia that seems fitting. You talk with HK-47 after the big reveal, HK tells you, you aren't all what you once were, but in some way you are improved. When I write my fanfic (not that my fanfic is some great source about KOTOR lore) about Revan, he comes out with some rough edges before he was captured, but when he's Revan Reborn bent on conquering the galaxy, he has more polish and wisdom. It's kind of an initiation experience, if that makes sense. It's kind of like when you get the starmap below the oceans of Manaan, you can't actively use your Force powers, it's just you and how fast you can shoot the firaxin sharks- when the water makes you very slow. It's a lesson about power, you aren't going to be all powerful all the time, you are in fact, quite fragile in some ways, and it's your spirit, not the Force, that pulls you through. Yeah, seriously the whole thing about the cheerleading about Revan. It irritates me a bit when the topic is about Revan in K2. I either grit my teeth before getting through some of the convo with HK-47 to unlock him, or get up and do something until Kreia is done trying to mess with Mandalore's mind. I've mentioned before that my DS Exile haaaaaaaates Revan,and to insult the image of Revan in Ludo Kressh's tomb is immensely satisfying to my Exile 😄 I love my Revan, ls or ds, but I keep him in perspective. Maybe a suggestion for Talyn of keeping a running log here?

If you want somewhat critical views of Revan, K1 has some sources as well. Master Zhar, for one. Or even some of the stuff Bastila says. Three's that cutscene of the Dantooine starmap which shows a bit of the characters of Revan and Malak- I went by that for my interpretation of the two. Also, Revan did fall for the Jedi trap and underestimated Malak. That might mean he was over confident.

Completely agree. It's time to have some Mandalorians in action!

ETA: deleted some unnecessary stuff. I think that the subject of what devs intended to do, or how we choose to interpret the game has been well covered. I'm not going to reply to any other posts in this vein. It's been detracting from this thread, and, yes, it's partly my blame as well. Thank you.

Yes, you're prodding . No, I am not straw grasping. First of all, you're talking about devs and guidelines and other things that ultimately don't matter here. This thread is about Talyn's mod. Second, it has already been accepted here on this thread that there is a Sith Empire out there. How Talyn is going to interpret that for the purposes of the mod, is up to Talyn. And, yes, there is room for play. How much of a threat is it? Is it the only threat? It's not a terribly mind boggling thing to use imagination to see a degree of interpretation. Talyn just may decide to go with what Avellone had planned. The point is that this isn't going to be swotor's Sith Empire. If you read all of the comments here, it's already been given what parameters Talyn is going by. He isn't accepting swotor retcon. Talyn is favoring the Exile as the Exile was shortchanged in the swotor retcon. You keep bogging down this thread with the intentions of devs, ruling that certain things are just guidelines, or dictating what is retcon or not. In short, I don't think you are here because you are interested in Talyn's mod, you are here to argue points that are in the process of being hashed out or have been already addressed, or will be addressed. You aren't curious, you are concerned with being right, right about hounding down points which are not the focus of this thread- to quote duty-bound to defend them. I'm done with this. If you want to feel that you are right, go right ahead. All the points you have been drilling I don't care about, really. You've been wasting your time. I'm here to support Talyn's mod, not to score points in arguments or justify my views of what I've seen in the games.

I know, right? Here's my reaction 😂😂😂 I couldn't stop laughing reading that. Here's my favorite part: "The Emperor blasts Revan with so much Force lightning that his stupid mask superheats and starts melting onto his face." That hurt, I bet! 😂😂😂 Bastila watching soap operas, yeah, omg. So how old is Atris in K2? 12? Isn't that kind of young for our male Exile? Oh, something that reviewer probably wasn't aware of, probably because she didn't read Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith. Scourge is also not original. He's just another Ludo Kressh, who had opposed Naga Sadow, not wanting Sadow to provoke war which would destroy their people. The Ludo Kressh whose tomb in which Kreia tests you on Korriban. To be fair, about the Red Guard, Palpatine's Imperial Red Guard was based on an ancient Sith Order, so that wasn't out of place.

Nice! I like the fourth one.

Yeah, that's a huge inconsistency that really undermines the entire game. That, and how the Exile is portrayed. TBH, personally, I would been happy with K1 never having a sequel unless it was Revan Reborn conquering the galaxy or Revan the Prodigal Knight righting wrongs. I saw something about what Chris Avellone said- now don't get me wrong, I like the guy more than I do Karpyshin, and I do like playing K2, but I think that K3 would miss the epic grandeur of the Tales of the Jedi and the first Kotor. It gets to the point that anything beyond Nihilus, you're basically summoning Cthulhu. Probably it was canceled because the celestials(?) Father, Son, Daughter was the end all be all of the Force for most mortals. Anything else beyond them is incomprehensible. Cosmic beings at certain point may not care about Light Side, Dark Side, etc. That's just my opinion, of course.

No, doesn't mean they are lying. Not at all. Even if there is a Sith Empire out there, it is almost irrelevant as a threat in the face of an even greater threat, which was even hinted at in K1. Now I haven't finished my current game with the added cutscenes- I'm at Malachor, but I do remember what Sion does say in the vanilla. Do they say outright that there is a Sith Empire waiting to attack in the restored content? Do they say where Revan is and what Revan is doing? A lot of what they say is open for interpretation, unless the restored content says otherwise. "A greater threat to come" is what I remember Sion saying. Very ominous if it was the enemy I thought at the time. I had gotten the impression of another enemy entirely throughout both games, an enemy which would be more consistent. And, to be very honest, more impressive and interesting than yet more Jedi vs Sith. The Exile would excel against this one, considering Kreia's focus and training. Unless they do say that the Sith Empire is a direct threat, one comment does not necessarily mean the other. Kreia: "There is a Sith Empire out there." Sion: "The threat that is to come." (I'm on mobile right now so I don't remember the exact quotes) Unless the restored content ties the two together, the one comment does not necessarily mean the other, unless you are upholding what the devs have planned. Which I don't think Talyn intends with this mod. And neither does this make either Kreia or Soon liars.

I'm aware of what the Triumvirate says- of course they are going to say the Sith will continue to be a threat. They are Sith- which is an opening for a sequel, of course. But that doesn't address the many other parts that are inconsistent with K2. It doesn't matter what the devs intended. What I am saying that the retcon doesn't make sense. This is about what we would like to see, not what the devs intended.

This is about the continuity for the mod Talyn is making, which honors what we find in the two games. Personally I don't go with the retcon, I go only what is found in K1, not even all of K2's stuff. It is all "Legends" now anyways. Here's a rather scathing review about the retcon which does point out the inconsistencies http://theunion4ever.com/nerd-bucket/sbswa-old-republic-part-35/ even that reviewer acknowledges that the devs intended this all along. Hell, I even did my own take of what is left of the Sith Empire in my old Kotor fics written years ago. Not very many of them are Force sensitive and they are surviving in a quiet corner of the universe, hardly a threat. I wanted to portray them as a people who wanted to be free of the corrupting influence of the fallen Jedi who had dominated them for centuries. The had even cleaned out any other remnants based largely on what was fanon way back then before Revan came along and struck a deal with them. I had taken that cue from the hints in the games., but I tried to keep it consistent, or at least what makes sense to me personally. I still maintain that Nihilus would have devoured any significant presence of the Sith. He even comes out of the Unknown Regions in the game. Blatantly ignoring that doesn't make any sense. Oh, okay, I saw that part. I was getting images of a huge Senate trial with all the politics involved. Which would be very entertaining, lol. Yeah, Drew, why?

If you read the comic, Tales of the Jedi, the Mandalorians were burned pretty badly by Ulic Qel Droma. You can skip parts? Having to watch what they've done to one of my all time favorite characters is like chewing on aluminum foil. I'm sure the game itself is okay, I'm not knocking that. Yeah, what they did to the Exile, what the hell? That's even worse than what they did to Revan and Bastila.

I think that line referred to Ulic Qel Droma, when he recruited Mandalore. Canderous was old enough to have fought in that war. Lol, what? So Revan wandering out there, the entire time he was in jail? Did they put him on trail before the Senate or something like that? I haven't read the book, or played any of swotor, but the more I learn about the retcon, the more I have to laugh.