Knights of the Old Republic III Thread - Rumor Central

[ADG12311990 21]

So, I looked at the articles that were linked to the video, and they... look like garbage, Nothing towards Rooster Teeth or The Know, of course. I assume people keep thinking o Apeiron anytime a fan made KotOR remake is mentioned...

[Xuul 224]

There have always been rumors about a certain Star Wars game releasing bouncing around the community. Over the last few weeks we have seen some more of this speculation, but this time it comes from the developers. Liam Robertson, spoke on his podcast about several things including a new Bioware “MMO-style co-op game” that will feature a “Sci Fi” setting. He also mentioned something that got the rumor mill running at full speed again, when he mentioned that Bioware Austin may be working on the Kotor franchise once again.

 

 

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"What they're currently working on right now – and I have this on good authority – is a sort of remake/revival of Knights of the Old Republic. I don't know when this is set to come out, but it has been in development for a little while now."

 

Liam then mentions that it may not mean a game bearing the Knights of the Old Republic name, but instead something based on KOTOR's structure. This got many fans excited as they have long awaited more Kotor since the MMO is not to everyone’s taste.

 

There is a long running thread with discussions of K3 rumors so check it out here if that's your thing.

 

Now if you are familiar with Kotor 3 rumours then you probably expect what I am going write next. The rumours are just that- rumors. While there was confirmation that Bioware Austin did at some point prototype a Kotor Style game, the project was not greenlit. Liam Robertson also reached out to Kotaku to clarify some of what he said in his podcast.

 

 

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Going to hold my hands up here - I think I just misheard some of the Austin stuff when I was talking on Skype, so I may have misspoke there. There’s also the element that I had no notes in front of me and just sort of rambled on from memory. I did not expect these few select statements to blow up (oops). I’m used to having the opportunity to just release follow-up notices on the Patreon with any updates and corrections. My bad there. Let me clarify that I don’t think KOTOR’s a current project. From the same people I learned about Dylan from, I did hear that they prototyped a KOTOR revival at Austin a while back. I believe it may have evolved into something else since then or fizzled out since then. I’m still confident Austin is doing something Star Wars related though and I’m confident in that. I actually did know that they were contributing towards Dylan since I originally found out about it when I was researching Austin’s Shadow Realms, so if I said exclusively, then that was admittedly a mistake.”

Sorry to disappoint you, but this is about par for the course when it comes to Kotor 3 rumors.

 

While we are on the topic of disappointments, we also have Star Wars Battlefront news. A new trailer dropped for Dice’s latest attempt at reviving Battlefront. While it is too soon to say anything substantial about the game we do have a few facts. There will be a campaign where you take control of Imperial Loyalists after the destruction of the Death Star, something absent from the original installment. The is a discussion thread for the trailer here.

 

Finally we have a new trailer for the newest Star Wars movie. There is a thread to discuss that in more detail here. I try to keep myself fairly free of spoilers so I tend to avoid trailers. That being said this one seems to not give away the entire film.

 

MOD NEWS

 

Just like last month I wanted to take the time to highlight and talk about some modding news and give a shoutout to a mod that I have not had time to cover in a video yet.

 

This week I want to talk about Shanilia a mod that adds a new Grey Jedi Merchant to everyone’s favorite water planet. This mod adds a new character to the game who fits into the game while still reacting dynamically to your character and their choices. I am a big fan of what this mod is trying to accomplish, as there is a bit of a lack of added content mods. There will be a video showcasing the mod in the future on my youtube channel, but for now check the mod out for yourself.

 

Every time I mention a mod, someone will eventually ask me to suggest a list of mods for them. I don't have the time to spend hours testing and compiling a list that is guaranteed to work. Luckily for me Snigaroo, over on the Kotor subreddit has already created such a list for both K1 and K2. It's worth checking out if you are in the mood for a full play though that is lore friendly and enhanced. Check that out HERE

 

That is all for now. Thanks again for reading.

I hope that you have an excellent day!

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

All the KOTOR rumor mongering over the years has turned me off to the idea of a KOTOR 3 or a KOTOR remake.

 

But also, #MakeKotorCanonAgain

[jc2 581]

All the KOTOR rumor mongering over the years has turned me off to the idea of a KOTOR 3 or a KOTOR remake.

 

But also, #MakeKotorCanonAgain

I agree (partially).

 

#MakeKotorCanonAgain

[sEcOnDbOuToFiNsAnItY 60]

The problem I see is that a KOTOR 3... well, it now has to follow on from and/or incorporate SWTOR's take on it all. And, put bluntly, I hate SWTOR's treatment of the KOTOR material.

 

And on a related note, I've been substantially less than a fan of Disney's reboot. So, sadly, I feel a KOTOR 3 is now at the point where... well, it's simply too late in my opinion. I doubt I'd like it and I even suspect it'd end up infuriating me.

[Haveayap 127]

The problem I see is that a KOTOR 3... well, it now has to follow on from and/or incorporate SWTOR's take on it all. And, put bluntly, I hate SWTOR's treatment of the KOTOR material.

 

And on a related note, I've been substantially less than a fan of Disney's reboot. So, sadly, I feel a KOTOR 3 is now at the point where... well, it's simply too late in my opinion. I doubt I'd like it and I even suspect it'd end up infuriating me.

No it doesn't... TOR is not canon... just like K1 and K2... So they have the creative license to do whatever they want aslong as lucasfilms give them the green light... It would be more likely a K1 remake than a K3 IMO to make the story canon

[sEcOnDbOuToFiNsAnItY 60]

No it doesn't... TOR is not canon... just like K1 and K2... So they have the creative license to do whatever they want aslong as lucasfilms give them the green light... It would be more likely a K1 remake than a K3 IMO to make the story canon

Ugh. No. No more remakes. Please. If Disney wants to canonise KOTOR, it can canonise KOTOR. They don't even have the excuse of being worried about their new continuity since the KOTOR era is so far removed from anything in Disney's new verse.

 

Now, since SWTOR is... yaknow, still an ongoing thing, Disney is almost certainly going to want to capitalise on that by linking any new KOTOR to it... which sadly means it'd have to be chained to their absolute abomination of Revan, the Exile and related's treatment, unless they wanted to totally retool the entire setting. But I didn't exactly like any of Disney's other reboots of the various Star Wars eras, so that idea appeals to me possibly even less.

 

Basically, Disney's caused the situation where everything they touch in Star Wars fills me with ominous dread.

[Haveayap 127]

Ugh. No. No more remakes. Please. If Disney wants to canonise KOTOR, it can canonise KOTOR. They don't even have the excuse of being worried about their new continuity since the KOTOR era is so far removed from anything in Disney's new verse.

 

Now, since SWTOR is... yaknow, still an ongoing thing, Disney is almost certainly going to want to capitalise on that by linking any new KOTOR to it... which sadly means it'd have to be chained to their absolute abomination of Revan, the Exile and related's treatment, unless they wanted to totally retool the entire setting. But I didn't exactly like any of Disney's other reboots of the various Star Wars eras, so that idea appeals to me possibly even less.

 

Basically, Disney's caused the situation where everything they touch in Star Wars fills me with ominous dread.

Not really when much of the new canon is built upon the galaxies history which seems to be odly connected to the time Kotor was set in. Even sidious was looking for ancient sources of the dark side which sounded similar to the same energy that the star forge was built upon.

 

I personally feel as though outside of the two movies Disney have released and ea's bf, they have done a good job with sw

[Malkior 476]

Not really when much of the new canon is built upon the galaxies history which seems to be odly connected to the time Kotor was set in. Even sidious was looking for ancient sources of the dark side which sounded similar to the same energy that the star forge was built upon.

 

I personally feel as though outside of the two movies Disney have released and ea's bf, they have done a good job with sw

Not that I want to be purely cynical, but I think Disney is using this as a way to shoehorn in their new "sith" history for Snoke and all of the more contemporary lore by using the now vacant Old Republic Era. Plus, Kotor drew such a fan base that it would spell potentially more people exposed to their new lore, and more money from a new game trilogy people are already interested in.

[Haveayap 127]

Not that I want to be purely cynical, but I think Disney is using this as a way to shoehorn in their new "sith" history for Snoke and all of the more contemporary lore by using the now vacant Old Republic Era. Plus, Kotor drew such a fan base that it would spell potentially more people exposed to their new lore, and more money from a new game trilogy people are already interested in.

Well, that is certainly a real possibility that Snoke's past is connected to this era in the new canon as well as Luke's original Jedi temples (which probably dates a little earlier than this era though). I just feel as though there is too much nods to the old republic era for it not to be made canon or altered to be made canon.

[revan21 22]

Well, that is certainly a real possibility that Snoke's past is connected to this era in the new canon as well as Luke's original Jedi temples (which probably dates a little earlier than this era though). I just feel as though there is too much nods to the old republic era for it not to be made canon or altered to be made canon.

Well they definitely won't be like "Okay, Kotor is canon again even tho it goes against stuff we established through other media". It's probably gonna be like it was with Thrawn and i'm okay with that.

[Maphisto86 10]

I highly doubt we will get a sequel to Knights of the Old Republic as a standalone game. The Old Republic is really that sequel, for better or worse. With the canon reset however, I do think it is somewhat likely that we might get a KOTOR style RPG / Adventure game set in the pre-prequel era, back when the Jedi and Sith were fighting for supremacy. I would like to see the "Great Scourge of Malachor" played out. Not only is the idea based on Malachor V from KOTOR II but it reminds me of the Valley of the Jedi from Dark Forces II - Jedi Knight. Would make for an interesting climax to a game.

[Todd Hellid 16]

I hope Atton Rand comes back. He rules!

[TheRealDarthRevan 20]

I hope Atton Rand comes back. He rules!

That is the truth, although he wasn't planned for the game in the first place

[Domino5555 119]

Hey, guys. I know that this likely won't matter, but I wanted to discuss our thoughts on what the third KOTOR's story would have been if it weren't cancelled. (And certainly without Electronic Arts. But I digress.)

 

I've calculated at least sixteen different pasts before KOTOR III, in relation to gender and the alignment of Revan and the Exile. I'd like there to be a system where the game took the choices from previous games into account before you started, so as it would actually have had consequences on the Galaxy.

[Roth9 14]

It's a sad thing that we will never get a kotor 3 after the creation of the old republic. I found just two informations about how kotor 3 would be. The first was about the character Naresha that at least had a lightsaber. The second was that it would finally reveal the true sith that should have been descendents of Naga Sadow. Other things I can only guess, like since T3 and HK-47 appear in both games, maybe they would be back again, maybe Canderous too.

Also, I just dont think that we would have Revan and/or the Exile, a new protagonist would be made and we would only see what happened to the two close to the end of the game.

Apart from this, I created lots of theories, and a particular friend of mine imagined not only a kotor 3 but a 0, 4 and 5.

[Domino5555 119]

I know that we likely won't get a KOTOR III. I'm just speaking hypothetically.

[Arson Hole 29]

It's a sad thing that we will never get a kotor 3 after the creation of the old republic. I found just two informations about how kotor 3 would be. The first was about the character Naresha that at least had a lightsaber. The second was that it would finally reveal the true sith that should have been descendents of Naga Sadow. Other things I can only guess, like since T3 and HK-47 appear in both games, maybe they would be back again, maybe Canderous too.

Also, I just dont think that we would have Revan and/or the Exile, a new protagonist would be made and we would only see what happened to the two close to the end of the game.

Apart from this, I created lots of theories, and a particular friend of mine imagined not only a kotor 3 but a 0, 4 and 5.

That's one of the many reasons I'm bitter towards Knights of The Eternal Cash Cow, despite the bland companions, the completely contradictory options to make Dark Side players nice and Light Side players cruel, the immense lack of immersion, the hideous graphics that make the original two games look like Triple A titles in comparison, the atrocious FPS, the needlessly complex combat system, the horrid, forced (no pun intended) and stupidly executed endings to some of the greatest Star Wars characters of all time and lesbians... okay so maybe it has ONE thing going for it.

 

But if there HAD to be a KOTOR 3, it'd have to be through the eyes of, like you said, a new protagonist. Suddenly jumping right back into the eyes of Revan or Meetra (The Exile) would seem a bit forced (I don't mean for this, I swear) and unoriginal. It would also be a good opportunity to add to the roster of the best Star Wars protagonists and open the doors to some excellent story telling and gameplay ideas. Returning characters like HK, T3 and Canderous are a given, but not without some new companions to tag along for the grand adventure ahead.

 

I'd see the tone of the game to be a mix of the gritty, realistic atmosphere of KOTOR 2 as the galaxy and Republic would still be rebuilding from the wars prior and the cinematic and grand feel of the original KOTOR with the return of special in-game cutscene animations (wow I actually miss those quite a bit) and some better music that makes the galaxy pop to life. With the whole Disney canon wipe calamity, leaving the atrocious EA money milk ending on the cold, smelly cutting room floor where it belongs should be easy enough. It would not only do justice to the characters we know and love, but also close some arcs left open like a rotting wound (looking at you, Revan x Bastila subplot. AND DON'T YOU GO ANYWHERE, EXILE'S FRIENDS REBUILDING THE JEDI ORDER! HEY HEY, YOU STAY RIGHT THERE, MR REBUILDING THE MANDALO-okay you get the point). But we'll never see this as EA (short for Eejit Asshats) owns Bioware which owns the rights to KOTOR. But even if Disney cuts ties with EA, they'd still keep the rights of the game in their grubby little hands because reasons.

 

WOW that went on way longer than I expected. Well, I suppose if we REALLY want a KOTOR 3 story, I don't think The KOTOR Trilogy Team will let us down

[Domino5555 119]

Maybe we can make our own storyline for KOTOR III. I'd like for the choices made in the prior games to actually matter, with the alignment of both Revan and the Exile to actually effect the consequences of the Galaxy.

 

LSM Revan/LSF Exile

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DSM Revan/DSM Exile

LSF Revan/LSF Exile

DSF Revan/DSF Exile

LSM Revan/DSM Exile

DSM Revan/LSM Exile

LSF Revan/DSF Exile

DSF Revan/LSF Exile

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DSF Revan/LSM Exile

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

As everyone has done, I've thought here and there about what my Kotor 3 would look like. The general thoughts I've had go like this:

- Atton would once again be a main party member

 

Due to Kreia's end-game comments of being a fool and his future is unknown, I always felt like he would play some key role in the final chapter. I imagined him flying around in the Ebon Hawk and kind of reluctantly working with HK-47 and T3-M4

 

- The beginning of the game would start with an all out True Sith assault

 

To mirror the first Kotor, I always thought that it would make the most sense to open up the third with a giant bang. You are a soldier/scout/scoundrel at a remote outer rim outpost and the Sith attack the outpost, and you narrowly escape when Atton, HK and T3 swoop in to save you.

 

- At least part of the game would involve going into the Outer Regions

 

I can't remember the specific details that I thought up about this part, but a big theme of the game would be using the mind tricks and jedi killing techniques that you learned in Kotor 2. Overwhelming numbers, secrecy, playing Pazaak in your head.

 

Beyond that, I can't really remember what else... I must have had other ideas, but they must not have held much water. Also, depending on some of the endings, I suppose some of these plot points become contradictory or nonsensical.

[Guest Sam Fisher]

The problem with all new SW media, IMO- is you can't beat Chris Avellone's writing.

[darthbdaman 71]

Realistically, having players choices from previous games actually matter is impossible for practical reasons. I think KotOR 2 does a good job of referencing the choices without wasting resources accommodating all the different options.

Having said that, if we are going to continue on as the exile, as I think they should have, you would have to implement some sort of time skip to give time for all your companions to disperse, and have the sith invasion occur without it feeling contrived that it happens exactly as K2 ends.

You can have the exile ditch everyone and go off with T3, HK, and maybe Atton (he can't die without restored content, so he can be included). Mandalore has Mandalore stuff to do. Disciple/Handmaiden, Visas, Mira have Jedi/Sith training to do. You can then say the exile was screwing around looking for Revan for a few years (good excuse to lower the players level and alignment scores). I think that's a decent enough setup that lets old companions show up, but be easily replaceable, sort of like how mass effect worked.

I think the sith invasion does need to occur at some point, for the story to have any stakes, but I'm not sure if it should be at the beginning or the end (for some K4 setup). The story really starts to just turn into mass effect/new Jedi order at this point so I'll stop.

[ColbyJames43 8]

You don't mind if I talk about the KOTOR III topic. 

Well I have been thinking to say a lot of it I wish we had a third KOTOR game sadly it never occured when LucasArts hit a difficult period in the company's history which had led to the project being canceled. 

I know it was supposed to focus on a character named Naresha whom was a humanoid character and she or he would be main player character, it's droid companion would be Q-10 that's all the characters I know of, I do not know any other characters or party members and anything from the artworks of KOTOR III is unknown to me, I do not know anything about the players ship if it would be Ebon Hawk but my guess is no because it was still at Dromund Kaas and not been retrieved yet as we never had a closure for Ebon Hawk. the new players ship I do not know what it was to be or set to be at all. 

I know of locations you where supposed to go to places like Coruscant, Mandalore and also visit Mandalore City, and you would visit Rodia, Taloraan, and also Dashaad god wouldn't it be good if in Legends that Dashaad was confirmed actual canon if the game was released, not don't get me wrong but I might be correct on party members I think one might or was supposed to join Naresha on Rodia probably my guess is a Rodian more likely 100% chance because Rodia is the home to all Rodian's am I right so I think one would have joined the party more likely but I am not sure if its a he or she his or her name unknown, nor do I know of anything if it's a scout, or soldier, or scoundrel or civilian class, or force sensitive I haven't a god darn clue, maybe on Mandalore a ex-Mandalorian Neo-Crusader or such might have joined who knows, do not know anything else of who was to join on Coruscant, or Taloraan, or Dashaad at all sorry, so my guess for Naresha's party a Rodian, and a Mandalorian Neo-Crusader would have joined that's my theroy, 

I think we deserve a KOTOR III we haven't had it in like nearly 11 years now since the collapse of LucasArts but sadly Disney owns Star Wars we have to reach an agreement with Kathleen Kennedy and George Lucas over the Star Wars Disney team and tell them in our words "Well this game isnt' for Disney Canon only for the original Star Wars Legends a now dead universe." but I think they might say no they might not who knows, but I really would like to see a KOTOR III what the game would have been, I mean we get two fake games like The Jedi Masters (non-canon to Star Wars Legends) and (Revenge of Revan) yet to be finished problems are Logan23 has a life and a number of issues he has to deal with and it's another non-canon story but still intresting and I liked his character Sergeant Uldar Tanik he was a really great character though who joins Quan Drayen and the Padawan PC player any gender you play as, I can say I think the idea of Tanik came in the form of Recruitable TSF Officer Sergeant Caleb Deming for KOTOR II which is where I get the idea of Uldar Tanik's basis from, 

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[Guest Sam Fisher]

I'd honestly just want a remake of KOTOR 2 under Chris Avellone's supervision. More than anything.

[Guest Sam Fisher]

Hypothetical: If there was a KOTOR/KOTOR 2 Package remake- would you like them to be remade beat for beat or be remade in the style of the upcoming; Resident Evil 2 Remake? 

Where the gameplay is changed entirely to take a more modern gaming perspective but maintains the spirit of the original. 

What would you change about KOTOR 1 & 2 in general to improve them?

My main one change would be changing the PC's dialogue in KOTOR 1 to make the main character sound less like a moron.