Mutilator57

Well what can you do after the raging dumpster fire that was TLJ? I thought it was a fair attempt considering what JJ had to work with, but rushed to hell and fanservicey at times (and not in a good way like Rogue One). At least they explained (albeit unsatisfactorily) how Rey was such a Mary Sue. Though I still think the prequels were bad, at least they set up an environment in which EU content had a strong basis to flourish. With this trilogy, I've not the slightest interest in the universe or any of the main characters.

In the absence of higher-resolution textures, these are pretty good. They are a particular improvement for the random NPCs who seldom have any recent texture mods done for them.

Mine's exactly the same, though if i'm playing LS then I usually switch Kashyyk and Korriban around. Why do I do the planets this way? Let's just say force of habit!

That's a pretty good selection of people. Most people heap endless praise onto Revan (especially Kreia) so it's good you've got a semi-critical influence in there as well to balance things out (I'm talking about Vrook of course!). Have any of Atris' thoughts influenced your thinking too?

I know you've already singled out Audible but if you create a new account with a free trial, don't you normally get a free audiobook? That's how I got Darth Plagueis.

That's the general rule. Unless I'm very wrong, if you get an author's permission, it's a different story.

Personally I prefer the fourth one, but I think SH's idea is really great. Might be a able to give that useless Communications Room a function in K1.

Hello! Nice username btw lol

I think that's a pretty unfair (not to mention unnecessarily hostile) accusation to make; I've been entirely respectful. What's more is you're wrong. I ask these questions because I'm interested in Talyn's mod, because it is so different to the norm we've been fed. We've all seen so many ideas for a K3 but this is different and I like that. We all agree that ToR was a disaster and I am entirely interested to see the direction this goes. I think it is perfectly fair to ask how the mod will jive (if at all) with what we know from the games and what's been said since. If you want to impute impure motives go right ahead, but you'd be wrong. As I've said twice now, it's his mod and he can do whatever he wants with it. In any event, I'm not here to argue. If I've upset anyone, sincerest apologies.

I don't mean to keep prodding you (trust me, not my intention!) but I am genuinely curious. How did you get that impression? In my 15 years of playing these games I never got that impression at all. I'm actually keen to discover if there's anything I'm missing. Why would the game make pointed and repeated references to the True Sith only for them to be irrelevant/be superseded by a different enemy? That's what doesn't make sense to me. You're right, a lot of what is said is deliberately vague. Nevertheless, these references are why the only impression I ever got was that the ultimate enemy was the True Sith: "She said that the teachings here (Malachor) will lead one to the Sith...the True Sith...and all of their shadowed worlds." "It because Malachor, like Korriban, is on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the Sith wait for us, in the dark." "It (Korriban), like Malachor, brushes the edges of the Empire that waits in the dark. And like Malachor, the Sith have forgotten it...for a time. They will remember. Revan knew this." Yes, none of this is tantamount to a direct admission. Still, given all these references, I don't think the situation is as open to interpretation as you suggest. Yes, they do. In vanilla actually. "You are wrong. The Sith is a belief. And its empire, the True Sith Empire rules elsewhere. And Revan knew that the true war was not against the Republic. It waits for us beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it in his own way." "Even the small one - who waits for you outside this place - I sense it has one last journey for you. You must go where Revan did into the Unknown Regions, where the Sith, the True Sith, wait in the dark for the great war that comes." I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just think that trying to draw any other conclusion is very much straw-grasping. Sorry to keep posting but having put my thoughts out there, I feel perhaps duty-bound to defend them.

So Sion and Kreia are lying? Ok, that could create an interesting basis for a hypothetical K3. Out of interest, what other inconsistencies have you picked up (other than Nihilus' hunger)? Your ideas for a new K3 story are very intriguing. The only reason I brought up the devs is to refute the implicit argument that it was ToR/Revan novel that introduced these ideas. They didn't, they were present in TSL right from the beginning. Of course that doesn't matter if you're arguing that the evidence in TSL is either inconsistent or simple manipulations by the Triumvirate.

I think you're misinterpreting me. I'm certainly not endorsing or advocating for ToR's story. I'm simply saying that the idea to have the True Sith be the ultimate enemy wasn't an idea that ToR introduced and so can't really be called a retcon. It was actually something introduced in TSL and is well-established as a part of that game's ending narrative. It isn't even something that is heavily implied or left ambiguous (like the Kreia/Arren Kae connection), both Kreia and Sion flat out admit as much right before their deaths. All ToR did was expand and elaborate on what was actually said in TSL and the intentions that the devs had for K3. Now, if you guys want to ignore it or chalk it up to more of Kreia's manipulations or create a better story, then by all means.

No worries. Most of this comes out at the end of the game which is maybe why you don't remember it. If you think you've got a better basis for a new story, go for it.

So still curious, I did a bit of further checking. Here's what Kreia has to say: "And its empire, the true Sith Empire, rules elsewhere. And Revan knew the true war was not against the Republic. It waits for us beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it in his own way". I think the loadscreens are more of a general guide than anything to be relied on with accuracy. Further, those loadscreens also operate on the same knowledge that the PC has. To the galaxy at-large, the true Sith appear dead. That doesn't mean they actually are, even if that was probably the intent of the K1 devs. Clearly, K2 retconned this. I'd be wary of what Kreia says. Remember, she manipulates you for the entire game. It's really only at the end that she finally comes clean as to her true motives. Your second point is interesting, but more of a plot hole than anything else. When it comes down to forecasting what unknown enemy Obsidian intended Revan to face, I think it's clear that the True Sith were that enemy. In addition to the dialogue in-game, devs have confirmed this was the case. But at the end of the day it's your mod. You include whatever you like!