M4-78 Enhancement Project 1.5

On 10/17/2018 at 7:14 PM, Obi Wan Pere said:

Is this the same M478EP file MOD but updated? is it an ADD-ON?

I couldn't play it but 2 or 3 years ago I downloaded the M478EP_1.2.3.exe but sizing 600Mb when this is 360Mb. I'm searching in the forum but I haven't found any other page except this one and the "General Discusions" about M4-78.

I would like try with it (and TSLRCM) again but now I don't know if I have the correct (and last) version of M4-78

New version is up , v1.5 ,

probably closer in size to what you were saying ,533.83 MB

There are other ,older (possibly smaller) versions floating around out there ,always best to get it from here or maybe check Moddb ,new versions used to get posted there too ,not sure if that's still the case though .

It gives you an extra planet to do some more fun things on ,just make sure to install "The Restored Content Mod" before installing this .

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Thanks a lot to all those involved in making this new release ,a good time to re-visit the game, methinks.

7 minutes ago, DAFFYDAFFY said:

New version is up , v1.5 ,

probably closer in size to what you were saying ,533.83 MB

There are other ,older (possibly smaller) versions floating around out there ,always best to get it from here or maybe check Moddb ,new versions used to get posted there too ,not sure if that's still the case though .

Yeah!!!!!! I saw it -and download- this afternoon!!

Thanks anyway!!!

2 hours ago, Obi Wan Pere said:

Yeah!!!!!! I saw it -and download- this afternoon!!

Thanks anyway!!!

@Obi Wan Pere, note the following from the read-me file . . .

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Please note that for now, M4-78 Enhancement Project is only compatible with English version of a game. If possible, we'll try to support it with translations same way we supported TSLRCM - but given amount of text on a planet, it may take a while to translate.

That probably will hinder you from playing it.

7 hours ago, Sith Holocron said:

@Obi Wan Pere, note the following from the read-me file . . .

That probably will hinder you from playing it.

I know, I know!! and I already knew... at least with the previous versions. The first thing I did when I saw the update was read all the page. I downloaded it fearfully that it disappears again. Just in case... I prefer to have it and not be able to use it, to be able to use it and not have it.

Talking with zbyl2, he said me that I could use the Language Converter Tool but I'd still have to learn how to use it.

Anyway, in parallel with the efforts for make the SP version working with all I can, I'm trying to recover an english version of TSL.

If I felt excited it was precisely because I have never been able to enjoy M4-78.

what problems could/might I run into if i keep TSLRCM 1.8.3 (I've done few personal tweaks there already) and install this M4-78 Enhancement Project 1.5 on it?? 

would the improved voice-overs work properly at least?? has anyone played this combination for awhile (TSLRCM 1.8.3 w/M4 1.5)? 

It's not a huge deal but I thought you might want to know when I played the last version of this mod the black market droid worked but now if I talk to him my game crashes, so I just can't talk to him. I think it might be a minor bug in the new patch because the old one worked fine.

I would use the files from the old version of the mod specifically dealing with the black market droid but I don't have the knowledge of how to do that. You would know much more than me. Thanks for reading.

Hi guys!!

Preparing a new Playthrough and checking some old downloads I've seen I still have previous versions of M4-78EP.

The versions are:
- M478EP v1.2.3 (601.576 KB)
- M478EP v1.2.4 (530.563 KB)
(Both are .exe files)

This post is for to ask if this files are usefull for somebody or I can delete them.

Anyway, sending or uploading the files would be only with the permission of the authors and/or DS staff.

7 minutes ago, Obi Wan Pere said:

Hi guys!!

Preparing a new Playthrough and checking some old downloads I've seen I still have previous versions of M4-78EP.

The versions are:
- M478EP v1.2.3 (601.576 KB)
- M478EP v1.2.4 (530.563 KB)
(Both are .exe files)

This post is for to ask if this files are usefull for somebody or I can delete them.

Anyway, sending or uploading the files would be only with the permission of the authors and/or DS staff.

Perhaps post that question here as some folks might want to test out the old version ls fir review?

7 minutes ago, Sith Holocron said:

Perhaps post that question here as some folks might want to test out the old version ls fir review?

Done

I have an oddly specific question regarding this mod and TSLRCM.

Once you confront Vash, finish M4-78, and return to the landing pad, a cutscene with your party members is triggered. It's composed entirely of reused or restored lines.

The thing is, most of those lines are the exact ones restored by TSLRCM for the sequence with Kreia and the party after confronting the Jedi Masters in the Rebuilt Jedi Enclave on Dantooine.

And here's the rub: while those restored lines work beautifully after Dantooine, they make very little sense after M4-78, and even less when they're repeated twice.

So my question is: do you guys know of any mod that specifically gets rid of that M4-78 cutscene before leaving the planet altogether?

I seem to recall reading somewhere (although I can't remember where now, I thought it was Wookieepedia but if so I can't find it) that Korriban was supposed to come after M4-78 rather than the other way around, and that Lonna Vash would sacrifice herself on Korriban to let you escape Darth Sion at the Dreshdae Academy. It would make seem to make narrative sense, if only because if Lonna Vash was alive then the Jedi Masters' verdict at the Enclave would be even more forced and abrupt than it already is.

This mod did not ask me were to install it just did is that correct or has it not installed

Hi, weird question. I installed everything, it ran. I had the mod splash screen. But now, the splash screen is gone. The original obsidian intro screens are back. TSLRCM is still active, though.

Is it supposed to go away after a few restarts (I was playing around with settings), or is this something wrong?

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* Fast travel in droid quest - no more running trough the planet multiple times

This was stupid and should go away. The so-called "fast travel" is actually being abruptly teleported during the droid quest by conversational triggers. Being abruptly yanked to elsewhere on the planet with no warning isn't a convenience, it's a disorienting disruption. What made you think that was a good idea?

I have some other issues with the droid quest. One is that there really needs to be a cheat-sheet for what T3 is supposed to be saying, because having it presented as beeps in the text reduces it to blind flailing under the circumstances. The other is that it can be easy to lose the 4-digit part of the security code if you don't write it down, because if it getting scrolled out of your messages log. And you can't ask about the number of active droids a second time.

Based on dodgy decisions like the teleportation, and everything in the bug reports, this version isn't worth anyone's time and you're better off downloading version 1.3 from Pa3PyX's website (you might have lag, but the mod's not broken). Or holding out for the by-now-unlikely event of a 1.6 release or someone else making a fix pack for this mess.

1 hour ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

This was stupid and should go away. The so-called "fast travel" is actually being abruptly teleported during the droid quest by conversational triggers. Being abruptly yanked to elsewhere on the planet with no warning isn't a convenience, it's a disorienting disruption. What made you think that was a good idea?

I have some other issues with the droid quest. One is that there really needs to be a cheat-sheet for what T3 is supposed to be saying, because having it presented as beeps in the text reduces it to blind flailing under the circumstances. The other is that it can be easy to lose the 4-digit part of the security code if you don't write it down, because if it getting scrolled out of your messages log. And you can't ask about the number of active droids a second time.

Based on dodgy decisions like the teleportation, and everything in the bug reports, this version isn't worth anyone's time and you're better off downloading version 1.3 from Pa3PyX's website (you might have lag, but the mod's not broken). Or holding out for the by-now-unlikely event of a 1.6 release or someone else making a fix pack for this mess.

If you didn't like it, why didn't you post your concerns back when the changes were announced?

Your account was created in 2016, well before all of these changes were implemented. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the teleportation was optional based on when you talk to the Fast Travel droid. The only thing I can agree with is that the quest was awkwardly written, but to go out of your way to say that the earliest build from an alternate site is somehow better is frankly disingenuous.

16 minutes ago, Malkior said:

If you didn't like it, why didn't you post your concerns back when the changes were announced?

Because I wasn't active on Deadlystream at the time 1.5 was released, and on top of that I didn't have a PC copy of TSL until June of this year. So I would not have been aware of this change or able to experience it firsthand at the time. And it's not like the announcement itself makes it clear what's going on; it just says "Fast travel in droid quest - no more running trough(sic) the planet multiple times". That doesn't give any indication whatsoever that certain dialogues will suddenly warp you - you'd have to watch a video or play the mod yourself to find that out.

You can bet I would have complained back then had I been in a position to know about and experience it at the time, though. Because it's extremely jarring - no warning, no transition, just SUDDENLY LOADSCREEN and you're somewhere else. It took til the second instance for me to realize it was deliberate rather than some sort of warping glitch.

37 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

Because I wasn't active on Deadlystream at the time 1.5 was released, and on top of that I didn't have a PC copy of TSL until June of this year. So I would not have been aware of this change or able to experience it firsthand at the time. And it's not like the announcement itself makes it clear what's going on; it just says "Fast travel in droid quest - no more running trough(sic) the planet multiple times". That doesn't give any indication whatsoever that certain dialogues will suddenly warp you - you'd have to watch a video or play the mod yourself to find that out.

You can bet I would have complained back then had I been in a position to know about and experience it at the time, though. Because it's extremely jarring - no warning, no transition, just SUDDENLY LOADSCREEN and you're somewhere else. It took til the second instance for me to realize it was deliberate rather than some sort of warping glitch.

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

Surely there are better ways to voice your discontent.

There is a reason that Thread Necromancy is listed in the rules. If you keep bringing up old threads while the original posters are long gone and thus can't defend themselves, you paint their mod in a negative light and give new users an inaccurate impression.

4 minutes ago, Malkior said:

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

Surely there are better ways to voice your discontent.

1. If downvoting isn't a valid way of expressing discontent, then why the crap is it even allowed?

2. To respond to the edited version of your first post...

1 hour ago, Malkior said:

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the teleportation was optional based on when you talk to the Fast Travel droid.

You would think, but not in the initial "clear the radiation" quest (which is what I'm assuming is meant by "droid quest"). You get abruptly teleported from spot to spot at certain points in that, including getting suddenly warped to the Central Zone near the computer.

3. Excuse you, but version 1.3 came out in 2017. "pre-TSLRCM build" my foot. It was just never hosted here because the modders never got around to making an installer of it for non-Steam versions.

4. Allow me to quote a very important part of my first comment that you seem to have skipped over:

2 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

and everything in the bug reports,

There are multiple significant bugs with version 1.5, including some broken quests. Version 1.3 was put up on Pa3PyX's website and linked in the bug reports thread as a more stable alternative.

Although now that download seems to be broken anyway... WinRAR says the archive is corrupt, and I'm willing to believe that considering the .7z file is only 9.6MB when it should be closer to 560MB.

4 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

1. If downvoting isn't a valid way of expressing discontent, then why the crap is it even allowed?

Downvoting is fine. Disputing a change that was made a long time ago and having that reflect on the older mod page is not. 

My implication was that you can just as easily vote your disagreements in a Profile Update or even the TSLRCM M478 EP Feedback page instead of the download page. If there are others who agree, then possible changes can be discussed without involving the download page. You could even list your litany of disagreements on its own dedicated blog for others to respond to. There are numerous other options you can choose.

11 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

2. To respond to the edited version of your first post...

You would think, but not in the initial "clear the radiation" quest (which is what I'm assuming is meant by "droid quest"). You get abruptly teleported from spot to spot at certain points in that, including getting suddenly warped to the Central Zone near the computer.

A totally reasonable criticism. I too was not a fan of that decision, but it's simple enough to have a discussion of such things instead of taking it out on the mod page. (I also wasn't too fond of the teleport droid, but it was simple enough to ignore)

38 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

3. Excuse you, but version 1.3 came out in 2017. "pre-TSLRCM build" my foot. It was just never hosted here because the modders never got around to making an installer of it for non-Steam versions.

45 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

4. Allow me to quote a very important part of my first comment that you seem to have skipped over:

There are multiple significant bugs with version 1.5, including some broken quests. Version 1.3 was put up on Pa3PyX's website and linked in the bug reports thread as a more stable alternative.

Noted. Still suggesting that people go offsite because of a specific gripe you have with the mod doesn't help matters.

We all have strong opinions about this of which is understandable. However, such disagreements can be easily debated elsewhere.

This will be the end of my discussion on this page. If you want to talk further about this, there are numerous places in which we can do so.

56 minutes ago, Malkior said:

Downvoting is fine. Disputing a change that was made a long time ago and having that reflect on the older mod page is not. 

My implication was that you can just as easily vote your disagreements in a Profile Update or even the TSLRCM M478 EP Feedback page instead of the download page. If there are others who agree, then possible changes can be discussed without involving the download page. You could even list your litany of disagreements on its own dedicated blog for others to respond to. There are numerous other options you can choose.

And why, exactly, is it invalid to give my feedback, negative or otherwise, in the download's comments section? Feedback and questions are the entire point of even having a comments section. This is a serious question and the reason I downvoted your post. Since you're done responding on this page, feel free to answer in PM.

56 minutes ago, Malkior said:

Noted. Still suggesting that people go offsite because of a specific gripe you have with the mod doesn't help matters.

I'm not suggesting people go offsite just because of the gripe, I'm suggesting they go offsite because Version 1.5 is substantially buggy and unlikely to be fixed for the foreseeable future. Version 1.3 is the last stable build, and is unfortunately currently only available offsite (and possibly not even there, right now). And that, to me, seemed all the more reason to post here in the comments section where people are more likely to see it and be warned in advance that this version is buggy (instead of finding out the hard way like I did).

4 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

This was stupid and should go away. The so-called "fast travel" is actually being abruptly teleported during the droid quest by conversational triggers. Being abruptly yanked to elsewhere on the planet with no warning isn't a convenience, it's a disorienting disruption. What made you think that was a good idea?

I agree that this feature is in-fact jarring to look at, but the reason why this feature and many features of M4-78EP 1.5 is so "bad" is because (Even though you'd probably think this reason is bogus) the dev team who made M4-78EP are both burned out from modding this game for so many years and the fact that they have real life jobs that takes much of the modders time to actually work on the mod (The lead dev is part of the Video Game Industry for example).

As a Beta tester for 1.5, I can confirm that 1.5 was released far too early as there'd be no way for the dev team to finish the mod properly with their burn out and real life obstacles (And this was before Covid-19 so I doubt things have gotten any better).

I don't blame you for wanting to use M4-78EP 1.3 as the mod is broken in certain areas.

4 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

I have some other issues with the droid quest. One is that there really needs to be a cheat-sheet for what T3 is supposed to be saying, because having it presented as beeps in the text reduces it to blind flailing under the circumstances. The other is that it can be easy to lose the 4-digit part of the security code if you don't write it down, because if it getting scrolled out of your messages log. And you can't ask about the number of active droids a second time.

You have a good point, but shouldn't the 4-digit code be written down in the player's journal entry update so that the player can always reference the number? This may or may not be the case in the mod, but it would be a good solution to your problem.

Usually, the correct code is the number of droids in the colony so once you finally return to the terminal you must keep in mind you murdered droids to get back. In version 1.2 you would kill 5 droids to get back, so you'd -5 from the 4 digit code to complete the puzzle. In 1.5, technically it's -2 but hey idk if the mod is functioning well enough to account for those droids (Been years since I properly played M4-78EP).

 

4 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

Based on dodgy decisions like the teleportation, and everything in the bug reports, this version isn't worth anyone's time and you're better off downloading version 1.3 from Pa3PyX's website (you might have lag, but the mod's not broken). Or holding out for the by-now-unlikely event of a 1.6 release or someone else making a fix pack for this mess.

This is one of the times where you are most likely correct, this version is indeed buggy.

3 hours ago, Malkior said:

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the teleportation was optional based on when you talk to the Fast Travel droid. The only thing I can agree with is that the quest was awkwardly written, but to go out of your way to say that the earliest build from an alternate site is somehow better is frankly disingenuous.

I'm correcting you here, the teleportation system is in-fact as crap as Zelda is saying unfortunately. It would've been better if one of those Fast Travel droids were involved, maybe he'd interject into every convo and ask if the player wants to be teleported with the option to decline... heck, a simple animation of the droid party member walking away and then teleporting would've made this look better.

2 hours ago, Malkior said:

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

Technically, the version he is promoting is the old Steam version 1.3 which was also released way too early... however, it *does* work.

2 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

1. If downvoting isn't a valid way of expressing discontent, then why the crap is it even allowed?

I guess what Malkior is trying to say is that, if you give Dark Side Points to anything and everything you dislike it kind of makes it look as if you are the problem and not the person you've dark side pointed.

From the looks of it, you like to take a highly defensive approach when responding to criticism. In this case, you are correct... 1.5 is indeed bad, what you could do is instead is further highlight your criticism of the mod and highlight the flaws in a constructive manner without being defensive so at least you look like a good guy who wants to see M4-78EP fixed at some point... let's be real, no one will be able to fix the problems for a while, but at least if you take my criticisms you won't get attacked by other users who think you are being overtly dramatic.

2 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

3. Excuse you, but version 1.3 came out in 2017. "pre-TSLRCM build" my foot. It was just never hosted here because the modders never got around to making an installer of it for non-Steam versions.

This sort of writing comes off as hostile, if your writing is hostile then people will think you yourself are a hostile person and may not take you seriously... but everything you are saying is 100% true which is why you should write your dialogue in a manner which is respectable to the person you are quoting and to the mod (Even if the mod is buggy as hell).

Let's say you are in a public library and you just so happen to find a living pig in the fiction section just chilling, what you'd want to do is calmly approach the librarian and politely inform them of the pig and if they don't believe you need to be friendly towards them and try to lead them over towards the pig so they will believe you. If you instead decided to yell and swear at the librarian and them punch her you're going to be seen as the bad guy and you'd be kicked out of the library... even though you'd be 100% correct, there is a pig in the library. And in this case, the library is M4-78EP 1.5 and the pig is all the poorly executed features and bugs.

I've rewritten your quote in a way which is purely informal and rebuts Malkior's false claim in a way which is non-confrontational to Malkior himself:

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3 hours ago, Malkior said:

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

Surely there are better ways to voice your discontent.

You are incorrect, version 1.3 which I am promoting was released in 2017 on the Steam Workshop and was never hosted anywhere else as it was exclusive to the Steam Workshop. The link I've added is an archived version of the Steam 1.3 version which can be used for Steam and non-steam users via any non-Steam Workshop installation.

 

It is fully compatible with TSLRCM as long as the players install TSLRCM first and M4-78EP 1.3 2nd.

2 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

4. Allow me to quote a very important part of my first comment that you seem to have skipped over:

There are multiple significant bugs with version 1.5, including some broken quests. Version 1.3 was put up on Pa3PyX's website and linked in the bug reports thread as a more stable alternative.

Although now that download seems to be broken anyway... WinRAR says the archive is corrupt, and I'm willing to believe that considering the .7z file is only 9.6MB when it should be closer to 560MB.

Well, that is honestly unfortunate.

1 hour ago, Malkior said:

Downvoting is fine. Disputing a change that was made a long time ago and having that reflect on the older mod page is not. 

I think that, as long as a user can point out a mod's bugs in a polite manner they can highlight the problems and faults with a mod which can avoid new players from using M4-78EP and then breaking their game because the mod is unstable.

Clearly Zelda was a new player who wasn't aware of what he was in for (The teleportation system is only the tip of the ice burg of 1.5), but I can agree with you; the manner in which Zelda stated his dislike for a change was written in an unfair manner.

16 minutes ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

And why, exactly, is it invalid to give my feedback, negative or otherwise, in the download's comments section? Feedback and questions are the entire point of even having a comments section. This is a serious question and the reason I downvoted your post. Since you're done responding on this page, feel free to answer in PM.

I applaud you taking this convo with Malkior to the PMs. 

38 minutes ago, N-DReW25 said:

You have a good point, but shouldn't the 4-digit code be written down in the player's journal entry update so that the player can always reference the number? This may or may not be the case in the mod, but it would be a good solution to your problem.

 

Usually, the correct code is the number of droids in the colony so once you finally return to the terminal you must keep in mind you murdered droids to get back. In version 1.2 you would kill 5 droids to get back, so you'd -5 from the 4 digit code to complete the puzzle. In 1.5, technically it's -2 but hey idk if the mod is functioning well enough to account for those droids (Been years since I properly played M4-78EP).

The code is written to the log, yes. But as Zelda said, older entries get flushed. There needs to be a way to retrieve the updated code/count, or have the value written to the journal with a message about subtracting the number of droids you had to kill.

38 minutes ago, N-DReW25 said:

Technically, the version he is promoting is the old Steam version 1.3 which was also released way too early... however, it *does* work.

Then I guess I'm lucky, because I just completed 1.5. What about 1.5 "doesn't work"?

Yes, unnecessary hostility is a problem. It's the reason I backed off after attempting to help with another of Zelda's requests, and put them on ignore after they filled several threads with dark side points and/or nasty posts. I come here to have fun, and watching the members be antagonized is not fun.

38 minutes ago, N-DReW25 said:

I think that, as long as a user can point out a mod's bugs in a polite manner they can highlight the problems and faults with a mod which can avoid new players from using M4-78EP and then breaking their game because the mod is unstable.

 

Clearly Zelda was a new player who wasn't aware of what he was in for (The teleportation system is only the tip of the ice burg of 1.5), but I can agree with you; the manner in which Zelda stated his dislike for a change was written in an unfair manner.

I can't speak for @Malkior, or even pretend I've read and remembered all the rules. But from what I've seen when a mod has a bug thread that's where the bugs are filed. There is a bug thread for M4-78, Zelda's comments probably belonged there rather than here.

1 hour ago, N-DReW25 said:

You have a good point, but shouldn't the 4-digit code be written down in the player's journal entry update so that the player can always reference the number? This may or may not be the case in the mod, but it would be a good solution to your problem.

 

Usually, the correct code is the number of droids in the colony so once you finally return to the terminal you must keep in mind you murdered droids to get back. In version 1.2 you would kill 5 droids to get back, so you'd -5 from the 4 digit code to complete the puzzle. In 1.5, technically it's -2 but hey idk if the mod is functioning well enough to account for those droids (Been years since I properly played M4-78EP).

It doesn't seem to be written in the journal, no. Just the "Recent Messages" log, which Obsidian shortened for some ungodly reason. And yes, the mod does account for the droids you had to shoot when you're entering the code.

1 hour ago, N-DReW25 said:

This sort of writing comes off as hostile, if your writing is hostile then people will think you yourself are a hostile person and may not take you seriously...

You're right, it does... And being overdefensive is a bad habit of mine... Would it be constructive to offer my perspective at the time, as well as some background?

1. I play M4-78, a mod I was super-excited to get to, for the first time ever. During the first leg where you're clearing the radiation, I end up getting abruptly yanked around by conversation flags without so much as a transition scene (never mind asking me if I wanted to be teleported). On top of that, I end up feeling like I'm blindly flailing during some of the conversations, because I chose T3-M4. I make a mental note to comment about these issues, especially the super-jarring teleportation, somewhere future players are likely to see them and be forewarned.
2. Past that point however, I'm having a good time exploring the planet, learning lore, etc. Then I set foot in the R&D zone, and immediately encounter a bug with the "Deadly Upgrade" quest.
3. Having encountered a definitive bug, I come to DeadlyStream to file a report about it... and discover by reading the bug reports thread that v1.5 is riddled with bugs and unlikely to be fixed for the foreseeable future because the creators are burned out. I also discover that version 1.3, the much-more-stable immediately-previous version was only ever officially released for Steam, and is only available offsite because it never had an installer made. Said offsite link is provided within the bug reports thread for the mod.
4. Reeling from the discovery and still a bit rattled by the teleportation, I hustle to the comments, wanting to both air my complaints (since to my thinking, feedback is the main purpose of comments sections) and warn people to use v1.3 instead. I admittedly did so badly, emphasizing the gripe about the teleportation too much, and the bugginess of the current version too little.
5. The reaction I get to this is a message that, in its original form, seemed to be telling me I'm not allowed to complain because of the elapsed time since the release, as if that somehow invalidated my having a problem with the teleportation or meant my experience couldn't possibly perspective. That's how it came across to me. To me, that felt both hostile and dismissive.
6. The edited version of said message, and the reply to my response (which was to the original version of the message) both accuse me of promoting a pre-TSLRCM version when a quick look at either the current M4-78EP bug reports thread or Pa3PyX's website would show that to be incorrect.
7. Furthermore, these messages act as if I'm promoting this earlier version purely because of my gripe with the teleportation. I may have done a poor job at emphasis, but my initial comment nonetheless indisputably cites "everything in the bug reports thread" as a reason. People skipping over key information clearly mentioned in my posts (or in other people's posts in the same forum thread) is another thing that tends to feel hostile me; at best, it seems dismissive. It certainly doesn't come across as helpful... But I'm not going to dig up my argument with AmanoJyaku. While I feel I might be able to have a civil discussion about it with them now, this isn't the place.
** As an aside I just fully processed that Malkior seems to have accused me of posting the complaint in "a thread that last updated over a year ago" when A. this is a comments section, and B. the post before mine is from April of this year.

5 hours ago, Malkior said:

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

For reference.

Probably doesn't excuse what I did, but I hope it at least makes it comprehensible.

@AmanoJyaku Complaining about a deliberate design choice isn't a bug report Also, it was actually the bug reports thread (which I hope it's obvious by this point I'm well-acquainted with, it was how I learned about v1.3 being more stable in the first place) that motivated the last part of my initial comment. That thread made it clear that v1.5 is riddled with bugs and unlikely to be fixed soon, and that for a more reliable experience one would have to download and install v1.3 instead. And I wanted to present that information here in the comments section (which is more immediately visible to people downloading a mod) to give some advanced warning and recommend the more functional version.

Your reasons weren't my problem. This was my problem. 

7 hours ago, ZeldaTheSwordsman said:

this version isn't worth anyone's time and you're better off downloading version 1.3 from Pa3PyX's website (you might have lag, but the mod's not broken). Or holding out for the by-now-unlikely event of a 1.6 release or someone else making a fix pack for this mess.

Leaving a statement like this is dismissive and leaves no room for discussion.

A patch could possibly be made in the near future. Things like that happen all of the time, we could even have a lengthy debate on the various issues that need to be addressed in a separate thread. If you had just said, "there are many issues with this version, so there should be a patch made in the near future" then there would be no harm done.

However, this needs to be taken elsewhere. This page is for issues with the mod and I would like to abide by that, which is why I tried to move this to a PM.

1 minute ago, Malkior said:

Your reasons weren't my problem. This was my problem. 

Leaving a statement like this is dismissive and leaves no room for discussion.

A patch could possibly be made in the near future. Things like that happen all of the time, we could even have a lengthy debate on the various issues that need to be addressed in a separate thread. If you had just said, "there are many issues with this version, so there should be a patch made in the near future" then there would be no harm done.

 

If my reasons weren't your problem, why did you say the following?

5 hours ago, Malkior said:

So your solution is to downvote it then promote a pre-TSLRCM build because they did something that they had no idea you didn't like onto a thread last updated a year ago?

4 hours ago, Malkior said:

Still suggesting that people go offsite because of a specific gripe you have with the mod doesn't help matters.

Those gave me the impression that my reasons were, in fact, one of your biggest problems.

Now, I could certainly have worded my statement better. But at this time I stand by the idea of pointing people towards v1.3 (which hopefully will have an installer made for it soon so that it can be hosted here instead of a personal website and the inherent instability thereof) and my opinion of an update from the modders or an outside patch being unlikely by this point (lovely though that would be).

You can say "A patch could possibly be made in the near future" all you like, but based on the time and what I saw in the bug reports thread the odds of that are very marginal. The modders are burned out on it, and the remaining bugs (which are noteworthy) are all day 1 bugs for this version that no-one else has addressed in the intervening time (almost a full three years). Based on that, it seems more useful to me to warn people of the bugs and direct them to a more stable prior version (something that already exists and has been proven not to have the bugs in question) than to just express hope for a patch for this one.