Sith Holocron

Oh boy . . . the canon discussion again. Let me take a crack at this even though it's late over here right now. Let's try looking at this from a different viewpoint. Prepare for a wall of text. a) The game is released in 2004. It was created by Obsidian which according to many reports didn't have the time to give the game the final polish it apparently needed before release. They were denied to opportunity to do a content patch which pretty hosed their attempts to fix the plot issues and many of the bugs that were there on release. Yes, there were official patches but those were mostly minor bug-fixes. Hopefully we can all agree at least on this much. The formation of canon: Many of the those on the canon bandwagon like to site the "Knights of Old Republic Campaign Guide" that came out in 2008 as the be-all and end-all as the canon source. It's a nice book. I own it. But made the authors of this book the arbiters of canon-hood.? Chris Avellone (with Ferret Baudoin) wrote Knights of the Old Republic II. The authors of this book were Rodney Thompson, Sterling Hershey, John Jackson Miller, and Abel G. Peña. I would think that canon would come from the authors of the game not from the authors of the book. But you cry out: Lucas authorized the sale of the book? I'm getting to that argument presently. We can also agree that it doesn't quite get everything right either. It states that the Handmaiden was supposed to accompany the Exile on her journey. You trying doing that in an un-modded game. c) SWTOR Canon: Meetra Surik is what they call the Exile in the "The Old Republic" game which came out last year. (I'll not debate the merits or disappointments of that game here as this is a TSL thread. There are other threads here on this site for that already.) That game too is an official product. Well, there's all this stuff in the game about that character and none of that was written by Chris Avellone. Doesn't that make it not canon? Before anyone pounces on me for being a TOR hater, I own that too. . . d) Continuing on canon: According to Desmond's definition of canon, it could be argued that the entire un-modded game of TSL as-is deviates from the established canon of the first game. Let's be honest here: there was a lot of retroactive tinkering with the Revan character in TSL. I'd argue this but I think that Scorchy explained that very eloquently in his walkthrough of TSL. It's a very long read but well worth the time. e) There's also debate on what "Star Wars canon" is as well. Have you ever seen the Wikipedia page on it? It's a product of a maddened mind. The general gist of seems to to boil down to "only the Star Wars feature films are canon." Who is to say your concept of canon is superior to anyone else's. Desmond, you didn't start this off by asking if it's canon but you continued the conversation on it so I'm directing this at you. Which canon? What is your own defintion of canon? There's too many variables here at work for any project - even if it was released by LucasArts - for it to fall into all areas of canon. It's impossible. Instead of this thread getting derailed further - and making me split the thread into an excruciating discussion on canon and the original line of thinking - I make you a proposal. Play TSL through according to your nebulous definition of canon and then try out the mod. And finally: Just remember . . . it's just a game.

Scorchy's guide has been been my own guideline on how to pester the team to include as much cut content as possible.

Look again and see what you may have missed.

It is non canon but many elements do come from game material. If you're purely obsessed with canon, don't download M4-78. That's the reason it wasn't included in TSLRCM: added content. Oh, you want someone from Obisidian to give you some advice? Here goes: A) I'm not the one asking the question. By no means should anyone infer that I'm not for the M4-78 Enhancement Project. Those on the team already know that for certain.

I'll propose the idea that one person very important person with TSL approves of TSLRCM and that would be Chris Avellone, lead writer of TSL. He even helped notify folks of the TSLRCM 1.8 existence when he tweeted. If the lead writer approves of the mod, suggests playing the game with the mod, and gives kudos to the team . . . well doesn't that speak for itself? Mostly through diving through all of the data on the game discs. However, references to some of the cut content can be found in interviews with the creators. Keep in mind that some of the cut content was only cut due to spelling errors in the code. However, is it really fair to say what would've happened in that perfect world where Obsidian had the time to finish making the game according to their original conception? Have you played the original un-modded game all the way through to the end? Have you played it with TSLRCM 1.8 all the way through? After you play both through entirely, I'd be interested in your opinion. Keep in mind that in order to play by YOUR rules, you wouldn't be able to touch any other mod besides TSLRCM as it wouldn't be canon.

My original entry has now been updated. BTW, this thread should NOT be used for requests. I suggest using the General Kotor/TSL Modding section for that. I hope some day it is finished too. I voiced a few lines in that mod too. (And IIRC, they were pretty funny.)

That is an official Tron Legacy product. Google "Tron Legacy Mural Wallpaper " and you'll see for yourself. It is quite large.

Has everyone noticed a patch for TSLRCM 1.8 was released? No? Go here to download.

Your latest pictures just reminded me of a question I had: What will the avatar picture for G0-T0 look like?

I am curious what the back of the droid looks like without the cape. Perhaps folks might decide they would want to do without it they saw that as an option.

No comment.

Love the droid model, hate the symbol covered cape. Any chance you could be convinced to drop the symbols from that cape?

Unless the title changes again, of course.