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Interesting idea. Maybe after training in this fighter-simulation, players will stop hating the mini-game :)

Can you adjust the brightness of the sun or change some of the colors? With blue seen-through cockpit, blue spaceships, the light from blue star turn the picture in one disturbing blur half of the time.
I know that blue holograms are the trademark of the SW, but even Star Maps had yellow, orange and greenish parts.

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Interesting idea. Maybe after training in this fighter-simulation, players will stop hating the mini-game :)

Yeah, we'll see about that, hahah.

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Can you adjust the brightness of the sun or change some of the colors? With blue seen-through cockpit, blue spaceships, the light from blue star turn the picture in one disturbing blur half of the time...

Noted the suggestions -- thanks for the feedback. I'll see what I can do with that.

To be fair I'm not being too nitpicky regarding aesthetic direction on this project -- so any constructive inputs are very much welcome indeed.

I think research is overplaying it a tad. And it was really @seedhartha telling me where to look that solved the problem.

Thanks for the heads-up! Sorry -- my bad, as I wasn't quite aware on that in particular. Much appreciated. 🙏

That's quite an unusual case, I wonder if you were shot by plain water, hahah. Nah, of course JK.

I mean, I'm not telling that it feels bad of course [different when you naturally get it] -- yeah, it's just like when you're drugged [well of course you are].

I'm 41, I also only had bit of a sore spot from the Pfizer shots. I've been getting the flu shot for years, it was pretty much like that.
My girlfriend got AstraZeneca before I got my jabs, she did have a few days of tiredness.

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I've been getting the flu shot for years, it was pretty much like that.

Thanks for sharing the news, I see. Flu shot is not really common thing here where I lived -- well, at least no one talked about it. But I'm gaining awareness now thanks to you.

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...will Aspyr allow us to port things in from their game to use for modding the original like ppl are doing with SWTOR 😉?

I don't have any idea on that. Let alone if they can do it better than OG. I'm going to be fair that I'm a fan of KotOR/TSL art-pieces as well as SWTOR, and if that made me an old-BioWare bias I'm OK with that. It's just for me those are the game that made with passion, and one can feel it. Can Aspyr did that as well? We'll see about that.

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...I was excited about the prospect of a remake until I got into modding where you can literally adjust the game to your liking on a large scale.

You had a point, and I'm not gonna lie I enjoyed the OG with mods/bugfixes. Not sure if I can enjoy it without them just to be true.

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That alone makes the original game hard to replace, let alone all the work done over the years by the modding community.

Yeah, and we ain't see nothing yet [much more to come]! Hahah. 😛

The odyssey engine being mod friendly is too funny dude

Well, compared to modding Saints Row and Mass Effect -- modding KotOR/TSL is way ~ easy, hahah.

TOR mods have been around since beta. There were even nude mods at one point, although I doubt anyone still maintains them. What you can change is pretty limited, mostly textures and some text-based stuff like VFX and such. And it's not particularly practical to deal with since you constantly have to be patching and unpatching archives before and after every update. Way too much hassle for no significant gain.

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TOR mods have been around since beta.

Can't say that I'm not surprised knowing how quick some modders are working out there but not gonna lie I'm bit as well the fact that it's an MMO game.

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...not particularly practical to deal with since you constantly have to be patching and unpatching archives...

Yeah, I see. They surely did the packaging like Mass Effect that even if you want to replace a 1MB texture file you'll have to de/compress like gigs of its archive.

And nah, if anything for me first thing to fix/mod probably some immersion oversight like facing points and invisible blasters on cutscenes, hahah.

Well, I guess one can't really mod/fix contents, right? So for that we better leave it to the devs, really. But yeah, no need to sweat thinking of it as it's not practical at all.

What terrible things were they saying about you?

Edit: Oh, just a notification of a link, no juicy gossip. Disregard.

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What terrible things were they saying about you?

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Your mod replaced all my MOD files with JPEG like wtf?!

-- kidding, it's good things, hahah.

Who parties in heavy armour? Time to break out the bikinis. Although I guess the Rakata kind of already wear a one piece.

If only I have more time [not actually planning this; working on it like half an hour ago and very much inspired by JC's Toolbox spawner], I'd have them punch their fist to the air a.k.a ANIMATION_FIREFORGET_VICTORY1, lol. And heavy armours is the new bikinis anyway, hahah.

Edit: now that I think of it - it shouldn't be that difficult. Could have them the same OnHeartbeat script spamming the animation like forever.

Is 2020 the year you finally play TSL?

When did they go away? (Haven't been looking lately as I am still stuck using my phone for viewing.)

> When did they go away?

Way before this some mods were missing their screenshots, presumably from migration of the old site to the new one. Now everything had their screenshots back; and even some [I suspect] are new!

It's kind of refreshing, I think.

I don't think any of mine went missing (at least recently) so I must've corrected the issue of my mods on my own if it was site wide. 

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Modern textures are still hand-painted. They are just far more realistic due to PBR.

Thanks for the insight! I thought at first they're computer-generated or something. So, is that a specific intention for the game to have this looks rather than the more realistic ones? Or it's just technology speaking? I mean, if this game was developed right now, would it retained the looks as it was seen in the overview?

Edit: I've just read what PBR is, yeah- it's reasonable for games to have the latest technology with them. Moreover if they want to compete in the AAA industries.

Some games use completely procedural textures, especially for relatively simplistic things like stone, concrete, pavers/bricks, dirt, etc. But typically procedural elements form the base layer in the PBR workflow, and hand-painted details are added on top. So for a gun, for example, you'd slap on a procedural metal material on the appropriate parts, use some automated generators to get some initial wear and tear, and then you'd go in and manually paint all the really fine detail.

Modern workflows are really based around using a high poly mesh to generate normal, cavity, occlusion, etc. data and then using that to dictate realistic textures and well as having the game engine fake the appearance of a higher poly count on the low poly model. For older games, like KOTOR, you'd just make your low poly model and then manually paint all the details in the texture. That often lead to something of a stylised effect, as the way you fake it purely in the diffuse is by using shading to simulate light falling across it (think folds in clothes). But that often clashes with the in-game lighting.

Really what you are seeing as "hand painted" is just a lack of realistic lighting and materials. That's what PBR boils down to - making physically correct materials that accurately react to lighting just like they would in the real world (or at least a close approximation to it).

Thank you for the details - that explains and answers a lot!

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Really what you are seeing as "hand painted" is just a lack of realistic lighting and materials.

Yup, I believe you catch what I mean about "hand painted" and I understand them now. Earlier I was also thinking perhaps they're using the same-basic textures and the differences was only on how they're rendered to reflect lights, and your elaboration further corrects it and make it right.

That S.M.A.R.T. stuff sounds convincing! Yeah, I do notice of its presence but not sure of what that is the earlier, and now surely will take that useful information into account. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.

HWiNFO is a good comprehensive monitoring suite - https://www.hwinfo.com

Nice! Thank you for the recommendation; much appreciated.

Ah, some sort of anti-double posting prevention?

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...anti-double posting prevention...

Lol that'd work differently. But yeah, more or less like that. Not sure if already implemented with the forums thread though. 🤔

I noticed that too. A cool feature indeed.

I ce this might be for another lady? Or is this just a mission you are trying to complete?  Or am I izaerdrating too much? 

There's a special place in hell the Sarlacc's Pit for you, @jc2! Lmao. 😂

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Or am I izaerdrating too much?

I see what you did there. 

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Thank you for the insight! Very much appreciated.

And about-

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If you are familiar with Unreal Engine...

I'm not, modding KotOR is the first time I get into another part of video-games outside of actually playing them.

Anyway, about engine- does graphics included as the engine or separated? As we know that KotOR engine was indeed Odyssey, can I think of Odyssey the same as I think of Frostbite or RAGE?

Think of it like a car engine - it's not just a solid lump of metal, it's a complex piece of machinery comprised of many individual parts. A game engine is no different. It's comprised of different sub-systems that control various elements - a renderer, a physics engine, etc.. It's possible that the renderer can be updated or entirely replaced, while the rest of the engine remains fairly much the same. A good example is The Witcher, which used Bioware's Aurora engine (used for Neverwinter Nights, and the predecessor to Odyssey). Aurora (like Odyssey) uses an OpenGL renderer, but CDPR gutted that in their version and replaced it with a DirectX renderer. Something akin to boring out your block and fitting new pistons, perhaps.

To your specific question, generally whoever is coding an engine will code a renderer as part of it. While there probably are third party (typically referred to as middleware) renderers for indies and the like, I don't recall any engine of note making use of one (although I think there are some open source examples floating around). That sort of thing is more generally the province of stuff like physics and sound. For example, Havok and PhysX in the case of the former, and WWise in the case of the latter. The renderer is such a fundamental component of the engine, it's not typically something you'd want to pick up off the shelf. You'd be better off just licensing a complete engine package like Unity/Unreal/CryEngine rather than do that.

Many thanks for the details, DP! I get the picture now.

happy new year on Nar Shaddaa then    

careful with those stinky Huts there eh....??     lol  

P.S. yup that's the Skybox i'm using too, must.have stuff !!!!

Happy New Year!

I wouldn't have thought MDLEdit should be doing anything different in batch operations. If that's the case you should report it in the MDLEdit bug thread.

Sure, I will post there as there're few things to adds also. And yeah, significant results with Brianna's head [a mark above her dangly stuff] and K1's old white commoners head [some marks around mouth area].

That's a smoothing/normal calculation issue, but it shouldn't be different between batch and manual compiling. Not intentionally at any rate I assume.

Bradley Cooper has been on it too, a long time ago.  Most Broadway actors have done - some have done L&O, L&O: CI, and L&O: SVU. Have to build that resume and pay the bills... 

I suspect your eyes are playing tricks on you and there was no difference.

Besides, I would conjecture that this is not actually an engine flag, but an export/conversion flag, for use by whatever internal tool they used to craft TPCs/TXBs. It makes no sense that if you wanted a texture on Xbox to be 128x128 that you would export it as 256x256 and then tell the engine to only go as high as the 128x128 mip. Why have a texture four times the size of what you need? That's just a waste of memory on a system that has no memory to spare.

If you have any specific examples of TSL textures with the semantic, list them and I will see what the TXB equivalent is.

Edit: Yes, as I expected (at least based on a sample size of one).

DXN_bark.tpc - 512x512, 172KB

DXN_bark.txb - 256x256, 44KB

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I suspect your eyes are playing tricks on you and there was no difference.

That is undeniable, lol- as I can't print out any data processed from my eyes. 😂

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Besides, I would conjecture that this is not actually an engine flag, but an export/conversion flag, for use by whatever internal tool they used to craft TPCs/TXBs... Why have a texture four times the size of what you need?

Ah- think I have started to have a connection here; thanks for the insight!

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If you have any specific examples of TSL textures with the semantic, list them and I will see what the TXB equivalent is.

I was about to list DAN_Wn02.tpc, but soon as I read this

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DXN_bark.tpc - 512x512, 172KB

DXN_bark.txb - 256x256, 44KB

I think I have gain a basic understanding about what's the downsample is about. So, I have been informed that TXB is the texture format that was used in the Xbox version of Knights of the Old Republic.

Well, inside DAN_Wn02.tpc there is a downsample of 128 whilst the texture itself scaled at 256. So, without inspecting the TXB's of DAN_Wn02, could I assume that the exported texture in Xbox will be 128x128 instead of 256x256? 🤔

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So, without inspecting the TXB's of DAN_Wn02, could I assume that the exported texture in Xbox will be 128x128 instead of 256x256?

Yes, that is indeed the case.  DAN_Wn02.txb is 128x128, 24KB.

My guess would be it's so you can't hear it from outside the room. The Entertainment Promenade is unlike the other cantina modules what with its two different lounge areas and the hallway in between.

The cantina music on Telos is also played from a sound object rather than as BGM. I believe in that case, it was specifically so they could script it to turn off during some cut content with Corrun Falt... which isn't even in the game, but there you go.

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My guess would be it's so you can't hear it from outside the room. The Entertainment Promenade is unlike the other cantina modules what with its two different lounge areas and the hallway in between.

Yes! That's what I thought after walking back and forth inside/outside the Pazaak Den. I mean, they don't put the BGM in the module, but they build the atmosphere using the ambient/SFXs, and that is something that I am amazed from TSL; particularly Obsidian as the devs. K1 is as good as a mainstream video game, but TSL is something else; they dare to take the risks.

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The cantina music on Telos is also played from a sound object rather than as BGM.

Yup, I noticed that too. Somehow it creates an extra immersion and virtual surround sound which I believe is a cool thing to have.

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Keep in mind that nwscript.nss shows you the form that various script elements must take. Templates if you will. You don't just use them as-is in an actual script.

Thanks! I'll keep 'em noted. And with the script above, as I'm trying to input the "oArea" part- what command should I enter? The particular area will be DANM14AC [Dantooine].

You can make a variable declaration like:

object oArea = GetArea(GetFirstPC());

Which will get the current area you are in. That way you don't need to specify a custom value for every module you use the script in.

I believe that command changes the module's music track to a different one listed in ambientmusic.2da (which is what nTrack is - an integer value for the row number). So your script would be something like:

void main() {
	
	object oArea = GetArea(GetFirstPC());
	int nTrack = 99; // Insert ambientmusic.2da row number here
	
	MusicBackgroundChangeDay(oArea, nTrack);
}

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That way you don't need to specify a custom value for every module you use the script in.

Thanks for the heads-up!

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I believe that command changes the module's music track to a different one listed in ambientmusic.2da (which is what nTrack is - an integer value for the row number). So your script would be something like:

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void main() {
	
	object oArea = GetArea(GetFirstPC());
	int nTrack = 99; // Insert ambientmusic.2da row number here
	
	MusicBackgroundChangeDay(oArea, nTrack);
}

 

 

That looks promising! I'll fiddle with 'em soon!

Again, many thanks for the help!

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That's not how movies work......

Lol what a mess I thought they were rendered in the same fashion [such things as Frostbite, CryEngine or RAGE existed in animated movies industry] as video games. 🤪

Nah. They bake them for days before they're composited into the final film. That's why back in the day, "Pre-Rendered" cutscenes tended to look laughably better than the game that followed.

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such things as Frostbite, CryEngine or RAGE existed in animated movies industry

Sure, they exist for pre-visualisation purposes. You don't make actual movies in a game engine (not Hollywood-level movies anyway). That said, there is an emerging market for real time stuff with game engines in lower level things like advertisements. Epic is really pushing hard with Unreal in that segment. Even there though traditional CG still holds sway, and is likely to do so for many years yet.

I sure hope they're not siblings considering the blatant sexual tension between them in TLJ... yikes. Unless George Lucas is writing again...

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I sure hope they're not siblings considering the blatant sexual tension between them in TLJ...

Hahaha- like, who knows? We are not actually knows what RJ's preferences are we? 😁

Knowing Rian Johnson, something 'subversive'.