Saving Star Wars

[Guest]

 

Watch this video, then contact Disney and Lucasfilm directly. I'm making a passionate plea to you on this.

And if you feel that your love for SW has been so diminished by TLJ then don't do it for yourself. Do it for Mark Hamil because that man, that has helped all of our lives as we grew up deserves so much better than what was done to him.

 

Not just as an artist but the total utter disrespectful manner in which he is treated as a human being.

Lucasfilm is currently completely toxic and needs to change, I beg you.

You, the fanbase.

 

You're my only hope.

[N-DReW25 1,336]

[Guest]

Yes it is, watch the (very short) video to understand why. In fact, situations like this very recently have been influenced by outside pressure. EA microtransactions, Spider-Man at Sony, etc etc etc

[134340Goat 116]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but save it from what, exactly?

[zbyl2 811]

Lol.

 

EA microtransactions, Spider-Man at Sony, etc etc etc

Sony's Spider Man underperformed financially, so did EA's last star wars game I think, plus EA has been getting bad press forever with literally no one defending their microtransaction decision. How is any of that applicable to Disney's Star Wars movies?

[dg1995 28]

I don't think few people on the internet can change anything. 

 

TFA and EA Star Wars games have turned me off from Star Wars.

 

What is the best solution ?

 

Find new franchises to like.

[Guest]

Lol.

 

Sony's Spider Man underperformed financially, so did EA's last star wars game I think, plus EA has been getting bad press forever with literally no one defending their microtransaction decision. How is any of that applicable to Disney's Star Wars movies?

TLJ underperformed.

[Guest]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but save it from what, exactly?

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy.

[SalaciousCrumb 23]

Obsidian tried to warn us.

[Malkior 476]

I don't think few people on the internet can change anything.

 

TFA and EA Star Wars games have turned me off from Star Wars.

 

What is the best solution ?

 

Find new franchises to like.

That and stick with the old Star Wars stuff that is still quite good. (Like a certain RPG series I have *heard of.. )

[134340Goat 116]

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy.

So.... save it from what, exactly?

 

You refer to the treatment of Mark Hamill being something abominable, but I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Only thing I can think of is when he said that he disagreed with the direction Luke's story was taken - which we know is actually a plot point George Lucas came up with, not Johnson or Kennedy - and he later went back on that anyways

 

TLJ underperformed.

Not so. In fact, it's done pretty much as expected for a sequel released so soon after its predecessor

 

Attack of the Clones made approx. 64.9% of the income The Phantom Menace did (~$649 million to just over $1 billion)

The Last Jedi grossed slightly higher, at about 66.5% of The Force Awakens ($1.33 billion compared to just over $2 billion)

The Empire Strikes Back made 70.6% of the profits of A New Hope/Star Wars ($547 million compared to $775 million, unadjusted for inflation)

 

It's a historical trend with pretty much every single trilogy or series of movies released in relatively quick succession, and SW is no exception. A sequel almost invariably grosses less than its predecessor, not that it won't make an impressive profit, of course, with something as big as SW

 

Hell, if you compare TLJ to Rogue One, it made 133% as much, though Anthology and Saga films are different entities with different marketing approaches

[Arson Hole 29]

I REALLY don't see how Disney's ruined Star Wars. Okay, de-canon-izing almost 40 YEARS of content was quite questionable, but when I watch the new Star Wars movies in the cinema, I don't see a corporate monster milking every penny out of a franchise. I see people who genuinely care about a movie series they grew up with and try to maturely bring proper closure to the characters we grew up with. Rian Johnson gets far too much hate just because he did something no one expected.

[Guest]

So.... save it from what, exactly?

 

You refer to the treatment of Mark Hamill being something abominable, but I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Only thing I can think of is when he said that he disagreed with the direction Luke's story was taken - which we know is actually a plot point George Lucas came up with, not Johnson or Kennedy - and he later went back on that anyways

 

 

Uh no, Mark Hamill isn't happy with TLJ, even now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3GDsayP-W8

 

I'll take this honest, passionate response over a Twitter post he was likely asked to make due to PR.

 

 

I REALLY don't see how Disney's ruined Star Wars. Okay, de-canon-izing almost 40 YEARS of content was quite questionable, but when I watch the new Star Wars movies in the cinema, I don't see a corporate monster milking every penny out of a franchise. I see people who genuinely care about a movie series they grew up with and try to maturely bring proper closure to the characters we grew up with. Rian Johnson gets far too much hate just because he did something no one expected.

 

He wrote an awful mess of a film that not only devalued the characters that J.J Abrams introduced, (Not just referring to the Supreme Leader.) but also disrespected some of the major contributors to  the franchise as a whole, Ben Burtt is not happy, John Williams is not happy, Daisy Ridley is not happy and Mark Hamill is not happy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfySrekZixw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC0S-pKnIk

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqJ3rkKa6w

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geeJiwoN9t4

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSWaeCipSBE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixtd7bsgVPY

 

 

There's just a few examples from the level-headed YT members whom will not tolerate KK & RJ's treatment of the Saga. 

 

& If you don't find those convincing, watch Mauler's three part deconstruction of why TLJ is so vehemently hated if you're truly passionate about SW.

(I did the same for IHE's inane video on why TLJ is a good film, which it most certainly isn't apart from-from a technical standpoint.)

I have never hated any management of a franchise more than this personally, not Ridley Scott with Prometheus, not GL with TPM. 

[zbyl2 811]

TLJ underperformed.

In China, yes.

[Canderis 180]

Some people liked the movie. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you need to go get it banned from all those who do.

Don't like the new Star Wars? Don't go see it. Let the rest of us enjoy it.

[Malkior 476]

So, I've hated everything that came out for Star Wars following TOR's release. I watched TFA out of curiosity as to whether I was simply missing out on something good due to my own bias....

 

Okay, so I really hated TFA as well, but my point is that there are a multitude of reasons and Youtube videos that justify my opinion on the matter, but it simply is an opinion regardless.

 

If you loved TFA; cool, glad you enjoyed it, but to this day I despise literally every single scene, every single character, every single screenwriting choice.

 

I think it's unfair to say that TLJ is the biggest step back and a mark against the series when I have a massive disdain for the entire Disney line yet some people think it's "The greatest version of Star Wars yet".

 

 

Every film has flaws, so if you focus on each individual one, then you can justify your opinion of them being terrible for literally any of them.

 

 

The trick is to let people love whatever cinema they love. If you don't like the direction Star Wars is going, then welcome to the club; Star Wars is no longer designed for me and my interests, maybe it's the same for you now.

[N-DReW25 1,336]

Yes it is, watch the (very short) video to understand why. In fact, situations like this very recently have been influenced by outside pressure. EA microtransactions, Spider-Man at Sony, etc etc etc

Hm, makes sense though I seriously doubt that Disney is going to pull the plug on Star Wars and reboot it this far in. And using the same logic with making a complaint we could technically contact Disney and "formally threaten" to not go to their amusement parks or purchase their products if they don't allow us to legally port assets from K1 to TSL and vice versa.

 

Besides even if they did reboot Star Wars I'm sure that'd only make people angry as all the Disney Canon lore would pretty much become "Legends 2" not to mention everyone will have to watch the rebooted Sequal Trilogy which will probably take another 6 years to finish.

[Hassat Hunter 571]

That and stick with the old Star Wars stuff that is still quite good. (Like a certain RPG series I have *heard of.. )

Tell me more.

 

And we'll see with Solo and IX the harm TLJ has done. I'm fairly confident both will fail tremendously. And rightly so.

 

Don't like the new Star Wars? Don't go see it. Let the rest of us enjoy it.

Ah, the old "just f*ck off" argument.

Why are WE not allowed to enjoy Star Wars we have all our life till now? Hmmmm?

 

But what do I know? According to Disney I'm a Russian far-right bot nazi racist sexist who is threatened by woman... nice way to portray your client-base.

[Guest]

Hm, makes sense though I seriously doubt that Disney is going to pull the plug on Star Wars and reboot it this far in.

 

I'm not asking that it be rebooted, I'm not unreasonable, I am asking that the direction be changed.

[Haveayap 127]

The han solo movie will fail because harison ford made han solo great. He went of script alot and added in remarks he thought suited solo.

 

I would be a little happier with the movie myself if it wasnt about han solo.

 

They could just have easily made his story a comic or book and use this movie to show us another side of the universe but no. Not going to happen. Disney need get rich quick schemes.

 

The sw universe is starting to get a bit messier. Also on a side note. Rebels comfirms ashoka and ezra lived past rotj. Think about that for a moment xD how are they going to explain this detail

[Canderis 180]

Why are WE not allowed to enjoy Star Wars we have all our life till now? Hmmmm?

 

You can enjoy anything you please. The Star Wars you had all your life to now is inside its own little "legends" bubble where nothing can ever threaten to change it again. As for the rest of us, we can enjoy the change.

[DarthVarkor 384]

Ah, the old "just f*ck off" argument.

Why are WE not allowed to enjoy Star Wars we have all our life till now? Hmmmm?

I don't see that as a "just f*ck off" as you put it. 

 

You're allowed to enjoy it, you're also allowed to not enjoy it. As someone else said in this thread; if you really dislike it that much, you can always find a new franchise to love. 

 

Disney is not suddenly going to change course just because some fanboys on the internet don't like what they did. At the end of the day, that's a fact.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

Disney is going to do whatever makes them the most money. I don't think the passionate Star Wars fans like us are really the majority anymore. Much easier to woo and make new generations of fans. Maybe a boycott would work, but for every disappointed fan, there is one that loves it and plenty more to woo.

 

I think the real nail in the coffin for Star Wars isn't going to come from passionate fans - it's going to come from over-saturation and the general populace getting tired of it.

 

The same thing is already sort of happening to Marvel, but I think they generally manage to stay afloat by jumping to different genres. Star Wars, I feel doesn't have that same flexibility. You can't change it too much because at some point it ceases to be Star Wars and then starts being one of those really generic, near-future, dystopian YA novel movie adaptations.

[peedeeboy 23]

I think the success of Marvel really is part of the problem, sadly 

 

Every major studio is looking at their big IPs are saying "how can we make a cinematic universe out of this and crank out a Box Office hit year on year?  And rake in tons of money like Marvel?!".  Shareholders love guaranteed future income.  Warner tried it with DC comics, Universal tried it with revitalizing their "monsters" back catalog into the "Dark Universe", and Disney are trying it with Star Wars - announcing a whole new trilogy before they have even finished the current one! 

 

Sadly, none of them seem to understand why Marvel have been able to crank out hit after hit.  And IMO it's because Marvel have people like Kevin Feige at the top who know the lore/source material, care about the lore/source material, and for whom those films are an absolute labour of love that they wouldn't release if they weren't absolutely happy with.

 

I mean it really shouldn't have been hard for Disney/Lucasfilm to find somebody already in their ranks that was that was as passionate/knowledgeable about Star Wars (erm.. George?  George??  GEORGE?!!) as Kevin Feige is about Marvel comics.  They could have had different directors for each film in the new trilogy, but there should have been ONE person, whose job was oversight of all those films (and R1, Solo, Kenobi etc.) with final say on creative decisions to ensure consistency and continuity.

[zbyl2 811]

Sadly, none of them seem to understand why Marvel have been able to crank out hit after hit.  And IMO it's because Marvel have people like Kevin Feige at the top who know the lore/source material, care about the lore/source material, and for whom those films are an absolute labour of love that they wouldn't release if they weren't absolutely happy with.

 

While I agree for the most part, Disney's Star Wars already had a better start than Marvel.

Marvel lucked into a great start with Iron Man, but movies that followed were less than stellar; Hulk movie that barely anyone saw, mixed reception to Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America movies which seem to be usually regarded as MCU's worst.

 

Marvel movies didn't get truly popular until the Avengers.