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You can say that again Don't know if I'd call it fantastic as I wouldn't know what they'd do with him/her, but it'd be cool in a way. We also see Ezra getting a green crossguarded saber, similar to Kylo Ren's. We know Ren's lightsaber is based on an ancient design reminiscent of the lightsabers used by the jedi in the Great Scourge of Malachor (hint TSL hint). I think it's a safe guess that the lightsaber Ezra is holding in the trailer is an ancient saber from the Old Republic, that, or he constructed another one but why would he do that? Anyone have any idea who all those faceless masked jedi are in the white clothing? My guess is they are either an order of grey jedi to which Ahsoka belongs to OR (tieing in with the green Old Republic lightsaber we see in the trailer) they are some of the jedi who died at the destruction of Malachor. Now that I think of it, this would be a fun idea. I'm going to ponder on it some more and then I'll post a what if?/Prediction of the next half of this season.

"There's always a bit of truth in Legends" As in "Star Wars Legends" aka the previous EU that went into the bin? I'm now seriously considering that they'll bring parts of KotOR into the current canon! Not everything, mind you, but I can see the character Darth Revan being referred to or something. A man can dream... Also spotted Maul at 2:22, maybe he'll turn Ezra to the dark side?

Interesting. I respect the work you put in xoreos!

This is great guys, it's amazing that the kotor series gets new and updated tools more than a decade after release. Thank you both.

Yes, so you've said, but "reusing" a plot point (punctation marks because it's in an entirely different context, with different characters and in a different place in the timing of the movie) is not "copying a whole story", as you claim. You're abstracting both stories to the point they look like each other, but the thing is, you can do that with any story in the saga. Using your logic I could claim both TFA and ANH are filthy unoriginal rip-offs because they both utilize the hero's journey story structure by Joseph Campbell. It's ridiculous. So you've said a couple of times in this thread, but repeating it won't add any value to your argument.

I don't think anyone ever argued that TFA didn't use a lot of elements from the original trilogy. I believe consensus is that he uses plotpoints but in new ways and with new characters. In that article JJ also never states that he copied ANH piece for piece but that he wanted to make a movie that felt familiar to introduce new characters before they went on to other subjects, which we'll see in the next movies. This is a bit dramatic, don't you think? As I explained above your interpretation of what Abrams is not exactly what he said. You either jump to conclusions too quickly or you don't explain why you came to the conclusion you are at right now. Don't do the first and try to do the latter.

Uhm... are we sure this isn't a parody or something? TSL is the game KotOR 2 The Sith Lords, you know, the game for which the mod TSLRCM was made?

Just to be clear: You are on windows, right? Or are you on mac? In that case you can't directly run a .exe file

In moviemaking, there are no coincidences, there is only the script.

This is really, really impressive, congratulations and thank you! Is this what is used to make Revenge of Revan now or was it solely built using the input of Logan23?

But if KotOR is canon, then TOR probably is as well RIP Revan and Exile, you used to be cool.

It'll be done when it's done. Patience.

That's hilarious, did you make this?

Now this is just petty. It's fine if you don't like it but don't bash the others who do. Dickmove to be honest. Speaking of ripping of: Two siblings of which one goes dark and evil Fatherless birth Powerful object that helps trump all opposition I now of course expect you to be angry of the fact that nothing is original in Star Wars and they all ripped off the Bible /s

Daughter of Luke or Granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi probably. Or both. Though I hope she is of random descent and not connected to the Skywalker family by blood at all.

KotOR wasn't the first to reuse the "Superweapon" idea in the EU and it certainly won't be the last. I don't see why KotOR or ROTJ get a pass for this. This kind of scrutiny can be applied to all of the Star Wars movies. What exactly is the trade federation and how does this work in the context of the galactic republic? Is it known that the droid army is their's and if so, why aren't they just expelled? How does Padme's royalty work exactly? She can give up being a queen to become a senator? Why did Obi-Wan Kenobi hide by only changing his first name? Why did the building of the first Death Star take 18 years when the second could be pumped out in just a couple? How is the Force referred to as an ancient religion when there were lots of jedi running around up to 20 years before IV? However, ask yourself if knowing the answers to these questions would have an influence on the plot. I don't see how they would. Sure it's nice to know that trivia, but it can also bog the movie down a lot. The prequels had a habit of telling you what happens instead of showing you or letting you experience it for yourself. Besides, this is the first movie of a trilogy, it's not a self-contained movie like the original Star Wars was. naturally it raises questions that'll only be answered in the coming movies. Is this relevant to anything I said? No Idea, honestly. TOR is not canon, it's in a status of canon limbo which is a fancy way of EA to state that they don't want to say that it's non-canon because they're afraid of losing subscribers. As soon as it's discontinued they'll probably state that it's non-canon.

There were similarities, yes. Perhaps a bit too much for your taste, that's fine. But that's not something which is new to Star Wars. If you subscribe to the Star Wars Ring Theory you'll see that the prequels for example have reused plot details, plot points, and scenes from the OT, sometimes up to a fault. Besides, you can't say VII is a carbon copy of IV, there are still a lot of differences. If you look at the characters for example, they are very different to the universe (humanized stormtroopers, bad guy is an unsure and starstruck youth, finn is a traitor to his own faction and teachings) and fulfill a different role in the movie. Some recycled plot points don't immediately mean it's bad. I mean, KotOR I reuses a lot of plot points and character traits from the original trilogy as well (giant superweapon capable of destroying the universe, tall bad guy with a breathing problem, council with a yoda figure, fastest ship in the galaxy, scoundrel with a wookiee friend, pc makes a journey akin to Luke's, but with a twist etc.) , doesn't mean it's bad. why do you keep saying this? The movie did fully stand on its own, I haven't read any other material and I understood it perfectly well. Maybe you didn't understand it, but don't try to present that as fact. Please don't speak for everyone. Again, you keep saying this, and it's just not true. People claim the prequels are bad not because of their ideas, but because of their execution. They are just badly made movies and I have given several examples of why they are throughout this thread.

Can see where you're coming from but good and bad are kind of subjective in this case. Who should have made the decision on what to keep and what to throw away? People in this thread have been getting mad because TFA reused some plot points found in the EU (Han and Leia having a kid who goes dark) It's already happening, it'll probably happen again. I think that people will always find a way to reincorporate good ideas.

If I'm honest you're both kind of being dickish to each other. everyone is Honestly, that cohesive whole was a pretty messy place in practice. Sure you had some diamonds, but most of it was mediocre, which was probably why Disney just cut it all out to replace it with something that's a little better. I expect the "new" EU to still be cohesive, there has been no clue to suggest otherwise. It's not like new writers can't draw upon the new stuff. Heck, they can even draw upon the old, not literally referring to the characters but they can revisit and expand upon their ideas and themes.

You're acting as if Disney personally invaded your house, removed all your EU comics and stories, piled them up and burned them. The old EU isn't removed, it's just not canon anymore. The good will still be enjoyed. The (very) bad will still be laughed at. I highly doubt anyone said that.

Honestly, I think this movie could stand on it's own. There are a couple of throwbacks for nostalgia's sake, but the characters are new and very interesting, I think. I don't really see how including a lightsaber in Star Wars (Who'd have thunk it) would be to its detraction? We're all Star Wars fans, it's why we can't have nice things