Alternate Revan Romances REDUX 4.2

This mod works well; I encountered no bugs during my playthrough. The spliced dialogs are highly believable in-game.

More importantly, and what I appreciate most about it, is that providing Revan with a more complete set of relationship possibilities makes the character more nuanced, believable, and customized, deepening the role-playing aspect (by putting more choice in the player's hands) and helping to tie the two games together (in the presence of K1 alternate romance mods that have existed for quite some time). Even though the romantic elements of TSL are pared down, it is great not to have romantic backstory imposed on you when your choices in the first game differed substantially. In extreme cases, the player might not even pick up on a Carth/female Revan romance angle in TSL, because they've always played female Revan w/ Bastila romance mod in K1.

I also appreciate the work the author has gone through to package this up nicely, iron out the bugs, flesh out compatibility info, and provide all the steps needed to make the mod work from existing saves. It is really nice to have these alt-romance mods in bug-reduced forms.

Could someone tell me why the 904kreia.dlg file from the mod broke the game? I'm curious.

10 hours ago, Zachscustoms said:

Could someone tell me why the 904kreia.dlg file from the mod broke the game? I'm curious.

I'm guessing you're referring to the original mod that was made by felixfelicitas. The 904kreia.dlg from the original mod broke the game because felixfelicitas used the vanilla version of 904kreia.dlg instead of the TSLRCM version of the file. I fixed it by using the TSLRCM version of 904kreia.dlg.

The fact that this mod uses some files that have been modified by TSLRCM is why installing TSLRCM is required for this mod to work.

Huh, okay. Thanks for telling me.

Thank you for your work! I'm looking forward to see how all these little touches add to the game. Any idea how one would go about ensuring compatibility with Extended Enclave and Extended Ending mods, which both modify 904kreia.dlg ? I suppose a simple merger of the files should do, but how do I identify what changes exactly your mod, for example, did to the file? I'm not familiar with KOTOR modding as such, but the files are easy enough to read, so I'd be willing to give it a try.

Thanks in advance for your response !

16 minutes ago, Isewein said:

Any idea how one would go about ensuring compatibility with Extended Enclave and Extended Ending mods, which both modify 904kreia.dlg ? I suppose a simple merger of the files should do, but how do I identify what changes exactly your mod, for example, did to the file?

Alternate Revan Romances adds extra dialogue to 904kreia.dlg. Specifically, after you defeat Kreia and ask her about Revan, Kreia's lines that indirectly mention Bastila or Carth have more variations, depending on Revan's gender and if Revan romances Bastila, Carth, both or neither.

6 hours ago, Leilukin said:

Alternate Revan Romances adds extra dialogue to 904kreia.dlg. Specifically, after you defeat Kreia and ask her about Revan, Kreia's lines that indirectly mention Bastila or Carth have more variations, depending on Revan's gender and if Revan romances Bastila, Carth, both or neither.

Hey, thanks for the quick response. So, theoretically copying the lines your mod adds into the one in my override with the DLG Editor should be enough? No hidden values or anything, just the straight up dialogue tree ?

23 hours ago, Isewein said:

So, theoretically copying the lines your mod adds into the one in my override with the DLG Editor should be enough? No hidden values or anything, just the straight up dialogue tree ?

In my experience with the DLG Editor, I cannot just straight up copy a line and then just paste it in another .dlg file. In another .dlg file, I need to manually add new entries, then enter the dialogue and other values like speaker, script condition, VO_ResRef etc. Make sure the dialogue you duplicate in another .dlg file has also included the same values as the original one you want to copy.

Ah that makes it much less convenient... shame there is no WeiDu for KOTOR; Baldur's Gate Style ! I'll give it a try regardless. But all the values pertaining to a string of dialogue are visible in the dlg editor, right ?

1 hour ago, Isewein said:

But all the values pertaining to a string of dialogue are visible in the dlg editor, right ?

Yes, the values required to make my mod's extra dialogue work are visible in the DLG Editor.

Are mods like VRHK that modify hk47.dlg compatible with this one?

3 hours ago, StellarExile said:

Are mods like VRHK that modify hk47.dlg compatible with this one?

Visually Repair HK-47 sets the TSLPatcher to modify an existing hk47.dlg in the override folder, so to make sure it will be compatible with my mod, you need to isntall my mod first, then Visually Repair HK-47.

On 6/13/2021 at 10:33 PM, Leilukin said:

Visually Repair HK-47 sets the TSLPatcher to modify an existing hk47.dlg in the override folder, so to make sure it will be compatible with my mod, you need to isntall my mod first, then Visually Repair HK-47.

Awesome! Would the same work with danil's mods like Extended Ending and Extended Carth Meeting?

8 hours ago, StellarExile said:

Awesome! Would the same work with danil's mods like Extended Ending and Extended Carth Meeting?

No, because both my mod and those two dani's mod modify Kreia's endgame dialogue and Carth's meeting my replacing dialogue files, so mods that modify the same dialogue will not be compatible.

Hello. If you don't mind, is it possible to add an option in the future which contains only " juhani cameo add on "? And why it is not a possibility in the first place ? 

1 hour ago, Pcthoros said:

Hello. If you don't mind, is it possible to add an option in the future which contains only " juhani cameo add on "? And why it is not a possibility in the first place ? 

It's very unlikely that I will make the Juhani cameo add-on into a standalone thing that does not require the main compoenent of the mod, because the way Juhani's content from the add-on is set up relies on interacting with Bastila and Carth's content. Making Juhani's content into a standalone thing will need a different set-up that disregards any scenario where the player may also want to choose Bastila or Carth along with Juhani as Revan's love interests, which defeats the entire point of this mod that is to give player options to customise Revan's romance choice(s). Not to mention, making the add-on require the main component of the mod makes it easier for me to organise and keep track of the mod's content.

If you're asking why the previous versions of Alternate Revan Romances could not make Juhani appear in KotOR 2, the main reason was the lack of resources to create voice-overs for Juhani's new dialogue, and voice synthesis tools were less developed back then. I technically could already make a Juhani cameo add-on without giving Juhani voice-overs, but I find it very immersion-breaking to see NPC dialogues in KotOR games not being voiced. xVASynth makes creating voice-overs for Juhani's new dialogue possible now because xVASynth is specifically made for video game character voices, and it is free.

Alright. I understand now. If it's not an option then i should download the whole mod. Thanks for you time. And one more question. Is does kotor 1 mods that modifies Juhani's model ( like party model fixes and Juhani's real cathar face ) compatible with the mod and kotor 2 ?

5 minutes ago, Pcthoros said:

Alright. I understand now. If it's not an option then i should download the whole mod. Thanks for you time. And one more question. Is does kotor 1 mods that modifies Juhani's model ( like party model fixes and Juhani's real cathar face ) compatible with the mod and kotor 2 ?

Those mods would have to be ported to K2 for them to work, until the original mod authors do port the mod to K2 (of if someone else gets permission to do so) then those mods will be incompatible.

Alright. Thanks for the information.

Any chance of Juhani being available to a male player too? If the mod is all about having an actual choice with gender no longer preventing specific romances then why is Juhani the only one that is gender locked?

3 hours ago, Samriel said:

Any chance of Juhani being available to a male player too? If the mod is all about having an actual choice with gender no longer preventing specific romances then why is Juhani the only one that is gender locked?

No. I will never make Juhani a romance option for male characters under any circumstances. I also do not support any mods that make Juhani a romance option for male characters.

Unlike Bastila and Carth, Juhani is a canon gay character (meaning she is officially confirmed to be attracted to the same gender exclusively) and she has always been intended to be a lesbian, a woman who is exclusively attracted to women. As a lesbian myself, I'm totally against the idea of making canon lesbian characters like Juhani romanceable by men (or canon gay male — as in, men who are exclusively attracted to men — characters romanceable by women), because it is very disrespectful for gay representation, especially consider the fact that Juhani is literally the only confirmed LGBTQ+ character in any KotOR game. Making canon lesbian characters like Juhani roanceable by men is also reminiscent of the real-life homophobic mindset that gay people's sexualities can be changed.

Making Juhani a romance option for male characters cannot be compared to making Bastila and Carth same-gender romance options, because heterosexual people already get countless representations in media, including Star Wars and KotOR. Making heterosexual romance options like Batila and Carth available for same-gender romance options is out of desire for more LGBTQ+ representation, while making Juhani a romance option for male characters is erasing her lesbian sexuality and disrespecting lesbian representation.

Alternate Revan Romances and all my same-gender romance mods are about adding more same-gender romance options, and not inherently about removing every gender restriction in romances without any thought or consideration.

Keeping Juhani's romance exclusive to female characters is something I'm not going to change my mind on, so I would appreciate anyone not trying to argue with me on this.

15 hours ago, Leilukin said:

No. I will never make Juhani a romance option for male characters under any circumstances. I also do not support any mods that make Juhani a romance option for male characters.

Unlike Bastila and Carth, Juhani is a canon gay character (meaning she is officially confirmed to be attracted to the same gender exclusively) and she has always been intended to be a lesbian, a woman who is exclusively attracted to women. As a lesbian myself, I'm totally against the idea of making canon lesbian characters like Juhani romanceable by men (or canon gay male — as in, men who are exclusively attracted to men — characters romanceable by women), because it is very disrespectful for gay representation, especially consider the fact that Juhani is literally the only confirmed LGBTQ+ character in any KotOR game. Making canon lesbian characters like Juhani roanceable by men is also reminiscent of the real-life homophobic mindset that gay people's sexualities can be changed.

Making Juhani a romance option for male characters cannot be compared to making Bastila and Carth same-gender romance options, because heterosexual people already get countless representations in media, including Star Wars and KotOR. Making heterosexual romance options like Batila and Carth available for same-gender romance options is out of desire for more LGBTQ+ representation, while making Juhani a romance option for male characters is erasing her lesbian sexuality and disrespecting lesbian representation.

Alternate Revan Romances and all my same-gender romance mods are about adding more same-gender romance options, and not inherently about removing every gender restriction in romances without any thought or consideration.

Keeping Juhani's romance exclusive to female characters is something I'm not going to change my mind on, so I would appreciate anyone not trying to argue with me on this.

But Bastila is confirmed heterosexual in the canon (Legends canon at least) material. And there is no hint of attraction from her towards any female character in the game as far as I recall. So if this mod aims not for mere changes in game mechanics (making certain game elements whether related to feats, powers, weapons or romances available for everyone) but for canon accuracy then why make a canon straight character gay then?

Why not turn everyone bi so all players whether straight or gay can enjoy a romance with all those characters? Or choose a character's orientation during the game start if making all bi seems like a cop out of sorts?

Btw, I understand that you are not willing to make Juhani straight as an option and that I won't push you to change your mind. I have nothing against mods that turn straight characters gay whether those are women or men. I'm just curious why it seems such a taboo to make homosexual characters straight when its fine (I've not noticed hateful comments in that regard) to make straight characters homosexual?

I'm sorry if my question were uncomfortable to you.

One last thing to close the topic on a different/less awkward note...are there any plans to add some cut content (if there is any) to romances? Not regarding any character specific just curious if you were considering that. Also any plans to add some new original content to those romances?

11 minutes ago, Samriel said:

Why not turn everyone bi so all players whether straight or gay can enjoy a romance with all those characters? Or choose a character's orientation during the game start if making all bi seems like a cop out of sorts?

Because making Juhani bi is still erasing her lesbian sexuality. My reasons and motives for opposing changing Juhani's lesbian sexuality, while supporting making Bastila and Carth bi, are all about wanting more LGBTQ+ representation and respecting canon LGBTQ+ representation. It's not inherently about adhering canon, but about respecting representation of marginalized groups like LGBTQ+ people.

I already made my stance of keeping Juhani's romance exclusive, and my reasoning for it very clear. Frankly, I prefer not to debate on this matter any more.

14 minutes ago, Leilukin said:

Because making Juhani bi is still erasing her lesbian sexuality. My reasons and motives for opposing changing Juhani's lesbian sexuality, while supporting making Bastila and Carth bi, are all about wanting more LGBTQ+ representation and respecting canon LGBTQ+ representation. It's not inherently about adhering canon, but about respecting representation of marginalized groups like LGBTQ+ people.

I already made my stance of keeping Juhani's romance exclusive, and my reasoning for it very clear. Frankly, I prefer not to debate on this matter any more.

That sounds reasonable enough. This answers my question better at least as far as your perspective is concerned. Bioware indeed rarely gave characters who were LGBT but not bi. I guess it was less about them being anti gay but more about laziness or/and costs since by making everyone bi they were hoping to appeal to both straight and LGBT fans while making romances exclusive they felt it would limit too much the number of romances? In BG2 they even went overboard by only giving straight female players Anomen of all people (and nothing to the LGBT community).

I'm sorry if my questions were made you feel bad or were uncomfortable to you.

One last thing to close the topic on a different/less awkward note...are there any plans to add some cut content (if there is any) to romances? Not having any specific character in mind just curious if you were considering that. Also any plans to add some new original content to those romances?

8 minutes ago, Samriel said:

I'm sorry if my questions were made you feel bad or were uncomfortable to you.

Apologies accepted.

8 minutes ago, Samriel said:

One last thing to close the topic on a different/less awkward note...are there any plans to add some cut content (if there is any) to romances? Not regarding any character specific just curious if you were considering that. Also any plans to add some new original content to those romances?

TSLRCM already restores all the cut romance content for KotOR 2, while the cut romance contents from KotOR 1 already have their own restoration mods (like JC's Dark Sacrifice and Fair Strides' Party on the Leviathan), so there is no need for me to make any restoration mod for the romances.

As for original romance content, no, I have no plans on making such mods any time soon, given the sheer amount of time and effort required to write new dialogue and script the new content, and the fact that most of the romance options don't have their voice trained for AI voice synthesis tools yet.