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Thanks for checking it out, always good to know that it works, it alters various levels throughout the game now and a lot of M478, I am still looking for many things to fix or alter, I need to give it another playthrough at some point soon. There are likely missing .txi files for the transparent textures on Lehon, I will hunt them down when I get a moment, I have recently reconverted Sleheyron and got it working, though the sky box does not work yet but most of the buildings / floor all works, I also added the correct doors. I will fix the relevant transitions to and from the Rakatan Bases as well as unlock the doors to the temple, as well as lower the health of enemies in many areas. Unfortunately I haven't got the swoop track levels working but I will try again at some point, there is a lot to do in the ways of actually writing dialog files, placing characters, enemies, placeables and triggers to use, though I am trying to make use / re-use and alter what already exists in many areas. Being able to manually travel to Malachor V should make a nice difference to the way the game plays I am toying with the idea of using the Taris Lower City areas for a new floor to Coruscant as well as using the Taris Sewers for exiting Visquis Base on Nar Shaddaa, I have prepared the relevant levels but am not sure on if I will use them without getting them reskinned.
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v.0.7.4 of the Expanded Galaxy Project Demo for the KotOR 2 The Sith Lords is out and available on the Work In Progress page on page 4, I have tested it as best as I can using saves, but I am looking for testers and people to get involved with the project.
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@Sith Holocron Thanks! I wasn't initially going to release them but somebody suggested I offer them as standalone mods for anybody that might not be interested in my main project, which includes all of them.
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I had similar problems at some point where I had two versions of KotOR2 installed, I simply ran the swupdate.exe and it fixed the issue, I tried it because I was trying to save myself hassle messing around in the registry.
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What are peoples thoughts on removing the Ebon Hawk Icon and Peragus in favor of Sleheyron and Lehon? There is also the possibility of using Malachor V for another planet, Telos Polar Regions could also be used to replace Peragus or for another planet, I could also make it so the player has to manually travel to Malachor V, allowing the player to finish their quests.
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How do you mean? @djh269 "without the use of the Galaxy map" yeah that is the one planet you can travel to without the galaxy map, other than Malachor V which I have already changed, but it still occupies an entry in the relevant scripts / files in order to appear on the galaxy map in the first place / trigger the relevant cut-scenes.
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You can script traveling to areas using the warp function, but it causes problems with getting back on the Ebon Hawk though
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Yeah I know, luckily I don't have any more areas to add at the moment, I might consider porting Ord Mandell in the future for the spare planet slot, but for the time being I am going to leave it as it is.
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There is no plans to include Lehon as of yet, but I might look into replacing Malachor IV on the planet list because the cutscene makes you travel there. Taris cannot be included for obvious reasons. I did have thoughts of using the Taris Sewers for Kiras getaway through the Escape Tunnel on Nar Shaddaa, but it depends how well it would fit in. I have just uploaded 0.7.1 which is the latest and I have tested quite thoroughly, there are a few bugs that I know of but there shouldn't be anything game breaking. After completing the game all these levels can be travelled by the player, I will slowly be adding in the ability to complete / hand in any quests that the player might have left as well as possibly pick up new ones, but this will be after making use of the new planets during the main game. It's a slow process but I am still working on it all. So it seems your comment got me thinking about it, so I decided to dive into the galaxy map scripts again, I have now managed to enable the final four slots making use of the Ebon Hawk, Peragus, Malachor V and Telos Polar Academy Slots. For the moment I have set it up so that the tutorial galaxy map dialog skips over actually using the galaxy map, it also does the same for when leaving peragus. Sleheyron & Lehon can be travelled to. I might end up removing Sleheyron as it is converted from the Demo and the models didnt convert properly, perhaps in future if the new Sleheyron gets released I could add it in, if not it is another planet slot that could be used, but for the moment it exits to the Sleheyron Demo Docking Bay, which for the best part works. Malachor V only appears on the galaxy map when you have defeated Nihilus. There is a duplicate version of the Yavin Orbital Station for the extra planet slot, Malachor V is also removed from the galaxy map after completing the game. All of this is available on page 4 of this topic, it still requires TSLRCM, M478EP and the Jedi Temple / Coruscant mod. All this means is the player never sees the galaxy map until leaving the Academy on Telos and getting the Ebon Hawk back. Malachor V remains selected after completing the game. Sleheyrons docking level mostly works, the rest dont. Kashyyyk & Manaan still have slight map problems. Exiting Kashyyyk enters Hyperspace for the Ebon Hawk. Leaving the Ebon Hawk in Hyperspace exits to the previous planet. The End Game Levels are duplicates of the main game levels so will be a little buggy, but work for the most part. That should be the majority of bugs that I know of for the moment, I have tested heavily with a playthroughs worth of saves in depth but not played the game all the way through so there are bound to still be problems to found.
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Thank you for the in-depth review of sorts it's really appreciated, these are definitely some things I will need to look into. Leaving the characters in place was just so that I had sets of co-ordinates to work with when placing new NPC's and so that it was not just a bunch of empty levels, though this is much easier now using the Kotor Toolset, but it is still good to have the Z Axis values as reference especially for placeables. One thing to note is that I don't remember modifying the main menu and wonder which files you are referring to? The only alteration to menus I believe was the TSLRCM / M478EP Animated Logo that I obtained permission to include. Making it so that dialog can all be skipped is definitely something I will change in future versions, I only tested the borders of Tatooine once and didn't think to make them skippable, though the same can be said for the rest of the dialog I have added into the game. As for the swoop tracks, the current versions are based off of the Telos Swoop Track but modified to have the relevant rooms, swoop bike and camera models from the first game, I really need to spend a bit of time diagnosing the problem properly ( such as the exit transition script / going through it step by step ), I also need to make sure it loads two different versions of each track for the upgradeable swoop bike mod by bead-v that I have permission to include. The Swoop Tracks are definitely an integral part of the mod that I need to get working, I haven't spent as much time on this project recently as I would have liked to but intend to sit down and work on it again properly for a few days sometime soon. Though I have the story ideas laid out now, I also have sets of test rooms to view all the placeables, characters and alien dialog to help me choose what I will want where. Using just alien dialog might be a bit of a setback in terms of quality it is the best option for the moment. I spent quite a while making changes to M478 because I felt the jumping transitions were really off-putting / disorientating, I have also played the game through a few times looking for odds and ends to fix ( distracting myself from the main part of the project ) I have since played M478 through quite a few times and found everything to work correctly, though I haven't been able to find two items to finish a quest there neither in the vanilla nor in my modified version, but this might just be that I have overlooked a container / placeable somewhere. ( Quest is Archon Communication - I obtained the schematics from one droid and didn''t find the other two items ) But eventually I do intend this project to come bundled with various fixes, the extra areas and as many Quality of Life improvements as I can make, I am also looking for suggestions on anything that might need changing, fixing or editing in the main game, I have a large folder of screenshots that I need to go through pin-pointing things I have already located to modify, move, remove or fix. Again thank you for your kind words and notes on any issues, also apologies for my long-winded response.
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Thank You, I am still working on this regularly but slowly. I have had trouble getting the swoop tracks working but I am still trying and I will be adding Pazaak players to each planet at some point, trying to focus on laying out a decent storyline for each area that fits with the game and trying to make links between both games. Also pin-pointing things that need fixing throughout the main game. Currently the mod only has three HK-50 encounters and the mystery box ( which doesn't have a journal entry and no way to end the quest yet ) but this allows players to get HK-47 restored before visiting their first planet, it always annoyed me that players had to miss out on at least one planets worth of dialog for HK before they could restore them. Being that it is just me working on this it is likely going to take quite some time ( possibly years ) before I finish everything, but I am still holding out hope that others will begin to contribute, offering their expertise or fixes for the game to be bundled as one in the future, I have already reached out to some mod authors and been given permission to include some fixes / mods. I am trying to stay true to the original game and only include fixes / mods that feel like they should be in the game.
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Much more settled on a direction for the project now, latest story descriptions can be found in my latest post on page 4 of my WIP topic, much more realistic than some of the outlandish ideas I had to begin with.
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Previous Messages Latest Story Ideas These are some rough drafts of the story ideas I have planned out for the areas I have added into the game, I have noted major plot points so that I can start planning out each level accordingly and trying to tie everything into the main game as best as possible, I have also added a group of HK-50s to each new location so as to offer even more chance to get the HK parts as well as more opportunities to track down the HK Factory ( Which I missed in my recent playthrough ) This is a much more definitive outline of what is now planned for the project than any of the far-out ideas I had to begin with, I look forward to finding out what people think, constructive criticism welcomed and appreciated. Visibility File Fixes
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Sorry about that, it is currently and will likely only remain as a "modders resource" as it includes way too many new maps for me to figure out how to use and implement properly all at once, I am working on a smaller version for proper release though. The intention was that the modules here could help others make mods using maps that were previously unavailable.
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Screenshots Yavin IV - 4 Planets Demo Release 0.7.8 - KotOR II The Sith Lords The mod now includes 6 new planets for the game, Manaan, Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Lehon, Yavin Orbital Station, Sleheyron and it also contains updates to M478 and the ability to manually travel to Malachor V instead of going through a whole host of cutscenes and being forced to travel there straight away. The foundation of the entire project is in place as of 0.7.5 and requires testing for anybody interested. This mod requires TSLRCM 1.8.5, M478EP 1.5.1 and the Jedi Temple / Coruscant mod to be installed in that order followed by the seven files below. - three files also need removing as noted below. 0.5.9 Yavin Demo.7z [NOTE] - Please delete the three .ncs scripts contained in the "end_" folder within "override" in order to fix a conflict issue with the Royal Palace on Onderon. Yavin Demo 0.6.0 TO 0.7.3.7z This is a patch not a "Demo", the above file is wrongly named "Yavin Demo" instead of "Yavin Patch". 0.7.4 Includes an optional file that moves Korriban and Dantooine to the positions they had in the first game. 0.7.5 Should fix every instance of being able to exit during hyperspace, as well queues the hyperspace movie during these new pit stops in hyperspace. 0.7.6 Fixes most of Sleheyron, the doors and most of the buildings appear properly now but the skybox is still missing. 0.7.7 Adds a new planet model and icon for Lehon to the galaxy map as well as some other small changes. - see patch notes. 0.7.8 Adds Peragus back and makes the Galaxy Map accessible after Peragus, also now including Kexikus's Planet Texture and Icon for Coruscant. 0.7.9 Fixes the Ebon Hawk, somehow I broke it applying fixes to prevent leaving the Ebon Hawk after the Ravager and Malachor V I will take a look into fixing this again at some point, it also fixes a number of other small issues and begins to populate Sleheyron. 0.8.0 Further decorates Sleheyron and includes a preview of some of the questline I have started working on. Yavin Patch 0.7.4 TO 0.8.1.7z 0.8.1 Updates and fixes the Rodian Encounter, it also adds another HK encounter to Sleheyron and more placeables. Yavin Patch 0.8.2.7z 0.8.2 Fixes some things in Sleheyron and adds the Dialog / Lip files for the Mysterious Box Quest. Experimental Files Extended Carth Meeting There is now a group of HK-50s on Tatooine, Manaan, Kashyyyk and Sleheyron that are capable of contributing to the HK Factory Questline or dropping a HK part, I have also re-added the missing areas of Dantooine from K1, these can only be warped to at the moment. Prerequisites : I suggest using a fresh install combined with TSLRCM, M478EP and the Jedi Temple Mod followed by this to test it out. Due to the way I am publishing updates all of the above files are required to be installed in chronological order following the prerequisites. I am slowly trying to write dialog and plan quest lines for these planets, please get in touch if you have any ideas or would like to join the project. Latest : 0.7.8 Patch Peragus has now been put back and the Galaxy Map can be accessed after Peragus, I am not sure it's possible to add it back to the tutorial without having a different planet selected, this is what the original Ebon Hawk was for, so that somewhere was selected first, but this way works just as well. The game also continues after completion and allows free roaming of the galaxy, though I will work on this a little bit and try to make sure quests can be handed in, I won't be giving the galaxy a whole new set of quests after the game is complete just yet, I will instead be focusing on the new planets introduced during the main game, I think it should give the game a bit more variety, I will also be making it possible to go to the HK Factory even after the Ravager, both before and after Malachor. This will be via one of the shuttles on Telos : Citadel Station, I have also added the option to deny Carth an audience after the Ravager which is listed as something that was originally intended, currently it just cuts to leaving Telos but I plan on making the guards walk away as they do anyway and then to fade out and leave Telos. Thor110
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Unfortunately I have not had the time to work on it, I was homeless for a little while earlier this year ( some 6 months odd, I can hardly remember ) but in the past few weeks I have been getting back to grips with the project, coming back to a whole mess of files all over the place I was a little lost at first. I am going to try building the demo I had planned some time back over the next few months, though I have a lot of other things to keep me busy at the moment, looking for work being my main focus.
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Thank you for spotting that, those are some nice screenshots you have there also that would work great for desktop backgrounds. I didn't notice as I have so many screenshots I just chose a handful and haven't taken the time to delete ones that don't work so well or have problems like this. Having had quite some enjoyment out of the screenshots I have taken from SWTOR was the general inspiration for the topic and it's great to see some more posted!
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View File Expanded Galaxy v0.4.0 [MODDERS RESOURCE] This is the release of the modders resource and overall expanded galaxy project, for the time being this mod does break most of the main game, so make sure to make a seperate modules and override folder for this mod and swap between them if you wish to have various versions of the game installed at once. Please do not re-distribute these files without permission, if you use them to create your own modules please strip them down to bear essentials for the modules in your project and do not re-distribute the templates without modification. Thor110 There is a separate working release that does not require this on the Work In Progress topic for the Expanded Galaxy Project on page 4. Submitter Thor110 Submitted 03/10/2019 Category Mods TSLRCM Compatible No
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View File Module Templates for v0.4.0 Full Update These are the files required to recreate the modules in the v0.4.0 Full Update Release of the K2 Expanded Galaxy Project. Please do not re-distribute these files without permission, if you use them to create your own modules please strip them down to bear essentials for the modules in your project and do not re-distribute the templates without modification. Thor110 Submitter Thor110 Submitted 03/09/2019 Category Modder's Resources
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This has not been brought up yet no, but you make some interesting points. I have thought about this before, but I think it will likely still need to remain two seperate K2 installations in order to preserve save integrity and eliminate the need to make the above changes. Given that I already had two free-roam type expansions planned for both games it seems unlikely that I could provide seamless gameplay or transition between them, thinking about the time frame between the two games also makes me think it doesn't need to be done. As well as this, both games follow different characters, so it wouldn't make much sense, or it would have to loop back to a new character creation screen, a lot of global variables would need re-writing, duplicating and possibly renaming, for the sake of development I believe the best choice is to go for making an installer that does the following : Verifies K1 & K2 Duplicates K2 Copies Necessary Files from K1 Deletes K1 ( Optional ) This would leave the user with two versions of the "kotor2.exe" in different folders pertaining to the K1 EG and K2 EG projects overall. So the short answer is no, it won't, but I did think about it. I still need to re-play the first game to see how well new planets would fit into the story-line as I get a strange feeling the first game is just as on-rails as the second, it has been some time since I played the first game. @JediArchivist Thank you for the example, there are many a mod that have taken this route, I personally would take this route to save space for the over-all download over any other reason, but it is also a safe way to avoid legal issues at the same time, serves two functions. Thor110
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Currently it is still a template version that is being prepared for the seperate projects, so it isn't actually applicable to any potential projects just yet. As far as I am concerned as a developer, provided I can verify both installations there is nothing wrong with this. The installation of such a thing would most require an installer to verify the existing installation of both games. I also wouldn't upload it here without permission from DeadlyStream so as to avoid such issues and I thought the general consensus was that as long as it was done through an installer and verified the existence of both games, it would be fine? To be honest having gone back over the topic, I still feel the thoughts on this were still not made clear. But the kind of concern that just talking about the matter could get the site shut-down is just insane amounts of paranoia, the very fact this entire project got likened to Aperion I found laughable, Aperion wasn't even a port but a full remake that turned into a port to try and get around legal issues, where as this is wholesomely different. Feel free to get people to chime in and considering how long any of these projects are likely to take and how they may not even be started, finished or released, what does it ultimately matter for the time being? The Mods here have already made their views on the matter quite clear, basically that they aren't sure, if EA have a problem, it would have to be with me not the website. I am also only going to be porting the tutorial level of both main stories and seeing if I can gauge a potential reaction from EA / Bioware to begin with. I studied game development for two years, I am well aware of the in-s and out-s of the Game Industry, they will never shut down a project like this, it would be a waste of their time. Aperion got shut down because it was a FULL FLEDGED REMAKE not a port, they tried to change it to become a port once they encountered legal issues. Regardless my intentions are still clear for the time-being, to work on the Module Templates until reaching 0.5.0 Final Release of the template pack, then I will be porting the tutorial levels and seeing what happens, more than happy to keep that away from DeadlyStream and uploaded elsewhere. But unfortunately I forgot everybody was worried about doing something that has already been done... The JS KotOR engine remake is just as dangerous as a product to EA / Bioware as this is, if not more so. Anyway, it's still just a modules template / modders resource at the moment, apologies if my message startled anyone, forgot that everyone here was oh so worried about a repeat of Aperion ( Which actually isn't possible, both legally and technically ) due to the nature of this project as opposed to Aperions Remake. Thor110 Apologies though you are right, but having been homeless and away from the project / forums for a few months, I somewhat forgot about this and am still unsure on the final conclusion.
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I am glad to be back, I have released a new version of the Modders Resource and overall Expanded Galaxy Project for K2, on ModDB, NexusMods and finally here on DeadlyStream! This is the second to last version of the template pack that I will be releasing, when I reach 0.5.0 it will be finalised and being duplicated to be used for various different project. K1 Story Port into K2 K1 Expanded Galaxy K1 + Free Roam K2 Expanded Galaxy K2 + Free Roam The above five projects would end up replacing Kotor 2 & Kotor 1 with 2 versions of Kotor 2 the k1 story port, expanded galaxy and free roam, then the k2 expanded galaxy and free roam. & hopefully if I am given access to the files, the continuation of the RoR mod and the TC Template Pack is the current and upcoming v0.5.0 resource release. A total of 6-7+ Projects with 2 Primary Projects as well as a launcher / download / config utility that I need to start work on and the tutorial series that I have been documenting while working on the projects. Template Module Construction Files https://deadlystream.com/files/file/1455-module-templates-for-v040-full-update/ Main Release v0.4.0 Expanded Galaxy https://deadlystream.com/files/file/1456-expanded-galaxy-v040-update/ Though the project and module files are compatible with the K1 Expanded Galaxy Project, everything is primarily tested with K2 and focused towards the K2 EG and K1 Port Projects which are my main two projects of the varying off-shoot projects created by this endeavour. As previously mentioned the overall focus of this project was initially just to port the Yavin Orbital Station into The Sith Lords, but it ended up making me set up templates for all of these projects. I hope to focus my efforts on the K1 Port and K2 EG projects for now as well as continuing work on the Swoop Demo for now. Thor110
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Version 0.4.0
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This is the release of the modders resource and overall expanded galaxy project, for the time being this mod does break most of the main game, so make sure to make a seperate modules and override folder for this mod and swap between them if you wish to have various versions of the game installed at once. Please do not re-distribute these files without permission, if you use them to create your own modules please strip them down to bear essentials for the modules in your project and do not re-distribute the templates without modification. Thor110 There is a separate working release that does not require this on the Work In Progress topic for the Expanded Galaxy Project on page 4. -
Version 0.4.0
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These are the files required to recreate the modules in the v0.4.0 Full Update Release of the K2 Expanded Galaxy Project. Please do not re-distribute these files without permission, if you use them to create your own modules please strip them down to bear essentials for the modules in your project and do not re-distribute the templates without modification. Thor110 -
I am sort of back around as a friend has put me up, though access to my PC will be irregular until I have some money to put towards the electricity where I am staying, I also have a lot of other things to focus on like trying to find work and a place to live of my own, but luckily I am in a better position now than I was a few weeks ago. Having now set up multiple GitHub projects and a NexusMods account as well as pages for both mods I have essentially resumed work on the project for both games, but I will be focusing on the K2 Expanded Galaxy starting with the Yavin Orbital Station Swoop Demo that will consist of 4-5 Modules. [ . yav_m50aa, . tat_m17mg, . man_m26mg, . tar_m03mg, . 510ond++ . ] I am not sure those module designations are correct, but Taris, Manaan and Tatooines Swoop Track as well as the Yavin Orbital Station, hopefully to include the Upgradeable Swoop Bike Mod by bead-v and potentially an updated version of the Onderon Swoop Track that will allow access to the Onderon Swoop Track using the Modified Bike via the Yavin Orbital Station Merchant / Swoop Bike Mechanic. I think the option to not use the modified swoop bike should remain also, via dialogue it could be enabled or disabled, IE : "I would like to use the Modified Swoop Bike now" or "I am going to practice with the Regular Swoop Bike for a bit" this would also allow for an original playthrough even if the player decides to purchase or try the modified swoop bike as well as visit Yavin. The Expanded Galaxy Project is aimed at becoming a community project, an overall renovation of both original KotOR games for all platforms as well as compatibility for as many mods as possible, I also hope to include items, maps, stories and content from mods galaxy-wide given I can attain the relevant authors permissions, this should allow for both games to become heavily fleshed out. There is also plans to totally port K1 to K2, which would require an installer that would verify both games installations, this would be somewhat necessary to make the K1 Expanded Galaxy Project ( or K2 modules in K1 ) more relevant and worthwhile, giving the first game access to the second games engine, which would allow for more placeables, better cut-scenes and overall game-play. Along-side my project I am still writing a tutorial series that will cover everything I learn about KotOR 1/2 Modding ( primarily K2 ) that will be somewhat aimed at helping people make a Total Conversion for Obsidian's version of the Odyssey Engine, set in the Old Republic / Star Wars Universe or otherwise. I hope this inspires people to make more KotOR games ( following other characters in the old republic universe, perhaps even their own characters from, before or after SWTOR ) there is also the potential for non-sw related total conversions, point & click type story adventures and much more using the Odyssey Engine's Unique Features and innovate game-play mechanics.
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Previous message. Luckily though this is still the case I am sort of around again now, read the latest post for more info. Next message.
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I wondered if you might be including a Star Map in this mod and if not thought to suggest re-using the Tatooine Star Forge Ruins for this, removing the .vis file will allow it to render correctly ( though I am not sure how you might do this ) but could always override with a blank .vis file. Great work so far though and I really look forward to seeing Sleheyron re-introduced to the game!
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I started taking a lot of these screenshots a long time ago for my 3840x1024 setup and other resolutions I have had along the way, so I thought I would share some of them in-case anybody liked or wanted to use them. This is my current desktop image. I have images from around the galaxy and did plan to take a lot more, but I won't be getting back to it anytime soon as I do have a LOT to choose from. Tatooine Manaan Dromund Kaas Nar Shaddaa Orbital Station Eternity Vault Balmorra ( I think? ) or Rishi I can't remember. Space Ilum Yavin Makeb Rishi Coruscant Some are better suited to desktop images than others and vary in resolution, but it wasn't too hard to take these, people can also post any they take here if they wish to do so. I do have a lot more, but not all are suited to desktop backgrounds, some are from missions, raids, fun around the galaxy and so forth. Like some of these! I also have quite a few of these lying around in my Legacy Cargo Bay, not sure what to do with them yet, might give some to people, they are from a specific anniversary. (Post some great screenshots, see what server we are both on and we'll go from there ( Darth Malgus Server = All My Characters ) ) the "3rd Anniversary Galactic Memorial" https://tord.mmo-fashion.com/3rd-anniversary-galactic-memorial/ Let me know your thoughts, if it was worth creating this thread, if you liked any of the images or have any of your own to post, as well as anything else, I won't post my characters here as there is another thread for that by @Sith Holocron / https://deadlystream.com/topic/2313-lets-see-your-characters/ check it out if interested in looking at some great characters from SWTOR! Update : I have had a lot of fun getting out of the map bounds to get some images, here are some of my favourites! Some screenshots from a space battle as viewed from a window in a flashpoint or mission. Thor110 I look forward to seeing what images other people have taken and if people do this often, I found SWTOR was great to get some really nice desktop backgrounds from. The Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas!
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It might be better to wait or note that people could ask this, rather than ask everybody to take it all down at first @Sith Holocron I have listed my Species, Classes, Roles and such, I will go on to list professions as well, listing gear might take time and be better upon request. I have updated images of my characters, their companions and their mounts! Throughout all my characters I have used all the species, a variety of companions and mounts, I also spent a lot of time recently re-gearing some of my alternate characters to make them look that little bit better / more customised, I like to make my own gear-sets out of individual pieces, taking time to match them together and make them fit, where as I see a lot of people just wear singular gear-sets, even with the new-ish costume designer interface. All of my Zabrak Characters are Brothers in the family tree that span mostly Imperial through to Republic with Artericon the only Brother that joined the Republic who is also allied to the rest of my Republic Characters of varying species, some of the Imperial Characters have Children, both legitimate, adopted and Apprentices, though I don't role play when I saw the Family Tree section way back when I first started playing I had to tie them all together somehow. Main Characters Republic Characters Imperial Characters Thor110