What Did You Think of Star Wars: Rogue One?: MASSIVE SPOILERS

[Quanon 263]

I'm not sure why it is impossible with the Hammerhead? The  Star Destroyer has no weight in space, isn't that why it would be possible in the first place to build such a large spacecraft?
I think the film does portray it nicely, the corvette powers up, smashes into the ship. And at first it does damage on the hull, sort of plows into the destroyer as the outerhull crumbles aroud the head. It takes awhile for the thing to start moving.

 

But once it moves it can quickly build up momentum. Once you start going in space there's no stopping; you only build up speed if you keep on giving "force".

For a Kotor fan it certainly was one of the better moments in the film.

[DarthParametric 3,777]

The lack of a proper Star Wars soundtrack, outside of maybe 30 seconds of cues (mostly for Vader) and the end credits really negatively impacted the feel and impact of it. There's a reason why the pre-screenings of A New Hope with no music that Lucas did for the likes of Spielberg were so heavily criticised. The John Williams score is Star Wars. If this is what we have to look forward to in the post-Williams era then ugh. At the very least they should never hire whatever guy scored Rogue One again.

 

In a similar vein, the lack of an opening crawl was stupid. I get that on both fronts they were trying to disassociate the movie from the mainline series, but if ever a Star Wars movie needed an introductory blurb to explain things to confused casual moviegoers, this was it.

 

Saw Gerrera - unnecessary character

I agree. My guess is the first half of the movie underwent significant changes during editing/reshoots. Gerrera in particular seems like he may have had his entire part revised/reshot, judging by footage from early teasers. The end result is that Jyn's back story seems to have been so heavily pared-down/altered (likely for running time) that I think they may have been better off just removing most of it altogether.

 

The scenes on Eadu were far too contrived for my tastes, what with everyone conveniently converging at once. They could have combined Galen's message and death into a single event and cut out Eadu altogether. The scenes on Vjun (I think? I don't believe they actually said) were also unnecessary. The Vader reveal would have been best left to the scene at the end. Speaking of which, I didn't like the Tantive IV being present. It would have made much more sense for the data to have been relayed remotely. Leia's "diplomatic mission" cover story to Vader at the beginning of ANH now doesn't make much sense when Vader literally killed half her crew and watched them fly away a few minutes/hours earlier.

[Guest]

 

 

 I didn't like the Tantive IV being present. It would have made much more sense for the data to have been relayed remotely. Leia's "diplomatic mission" cover story to Vader at the beginning of ANH now doesn't make much sense when Vader literally killed half her crew and watched them fly away a few minutes/hours earlier.

 

I disagree in the assertion that it makes less sense for a couple of reasons; one being that it simply changes the context of the confrontation between Leia and Vader- so that Leia is quite aware that Vader sees the cover story is a facade and is still quite content to lie to Vader's proverbial face regardless. & Lord Vader didn't have much faith in the Death Star even at the point in time of Rogue One, I honestly don't think he cared about it at all- but when Krennic failed it was my perception that Vader let the Rebels go to strategize how he could be use this situation to lead the Empire to the Rebel base. 

[Ebony Moon 187]

Vader never did like the Death Star. He felt at some level that it was going to be the expensive disaster that it did become- and strategically it was a poor choice for the Empire to focus so much on it. Vader would have been secretly pleased to see it fail. Which made it all the more humorous when Krennic was so enthusiastically talking about it- and got himself Force choked. I laughed at that scene. The fool had no idea that Vader hates the thing.

 

I agree that Vader was letting the rebels lead him to their base. He thought that was more important than the Death Star itself. Leia was going to keep up the façade regardless. The Tantive IV was Bail Organa's diplomatic vessel- Alderaan was a symbol like Naboo, it stood for liberty, enlightenment. Keeping that pose would garner more sympathy from other denizens of the galaxy.

[milestails 264]

I'm not sure why it is impossible with the Hammerhead? The  Star Destroyer has no weight in space, isn't that why it would be possible in the first place to build such a large spacecraft?

I think the film does portray it nicely, the corvette powers up, smashes into the ship. And at first it does damage on the hull, sort of plows into the destroyer as the outerhull crumbles aroud the head. It takes awhile for the thing to start moving.

 

But once it moves it can quickly build up momentum. Once you start going in space there's no stopping; you only build up speed if you keep on giving "force".

For a Kotor fan it certainly was one of the better moments in the film.

 

I never said it was impossible - just looked absolutely ridiculous from my perspective.

 

If we want to play the real-life science card, then we shouldn't be hearing any noises or sounds in space either since there is no medium through which sounds can travel.

[Guest]

I never said it was impossible - just looked absolutely ridiculous from my perspective.

 

If we want to play the real-life science card, then we shouldn't be hearing any noises or sounds in space either since there is no medium through which sounds can travel.

 

Forget the real life science card, even if we go by just what we're shown in previous films- we can see that the Star Destroyers become weightless and begin to drift in ESB when they're hit with ion blasts.

[Quanon 263]

I never said it was impossible - just looked absolutely ridiculous from my perspective.

 

If we want to play the real-life science card, then we shouldn't be hearing any noises or sounds in space either since there is no medium through which sounds can travel.

 

Well, I don't want to pull out that card, lol

Not for any action/ adventure movie, cause a lot of things don't add up.

 

But Star Wars, does do the "magic" right IMO. The "used" look of many of the ships and props; it sort of makes it really "real", eventhough it's all make believe.

That's why I still think a lot of the old OT effects hold up today. The ILM guys have a good handle to get this tricky balance between obviously fake and what we expect things to behave like. Make it all seem real.

 

I just loved the idea of the hammerhead going "nunk" on the Star Destroyer. Allthough the poor thing would break/ shatter aswell. But, hey, the ships crashing into each other was just awesome to see. Something about mass destruction that makes me tingle inside; lol

 

My 10 year old cousin found it very entertaining! 

He was a bit shocked though that everybody died. Certainly when Jyn stays on the beach, I heard him gasp and go "huh?"

[Ebony Moon 187]

The Hammerhead was a real tribute to KOTOR. And now they are official canon

 

I didn't see them in the background, there were so many things going on, so I was, wait, did the Admiral say Hammerhead?

 

I liked that scene. That will teach the Empire to deploy star destroyers so close to each other. But this entire movie was displaying the flaws of the Empire that was to be exploited by the Rebels, be it personnel (Krennic), strategy, and the use of technology.

[Malkior 476]

I'm not sure why it is impossible with the Hammerhead? The Star Destroyer has no weight in space, isn't that why it would be possible in the first place to build such a large spacecraft?

I think the film does portray it nicely, the corvette powers up, smashes into the ship. And at first it does damage on the hull, sort of plows into the destroyer as the outerhull crumbles aroud the head. It takes awhile for the thing to start moving.

 

But once it moves it can quickly build up momentum. Once you start going in space there's no stopping; you only build up speed if you keep on giving "force".

For a Kotor fan it certainly was one of the better moments in the film.

The biggest problem the Hammerhead would have to overcome is not force but rather inertia of the much larger Star Destroyer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertia

 

I suppose you could say, " Hey, if the Star Destroyer was traveling a direction before arriving at its destination, then how come it can be maneuvered into place?"

 

That would be inertial dampers which, no matter what category be it Legends or Current Canon would have to exist for them to not keep drifting into each other or would require them to have massive retrorockets on the front of the ship.

 

So, due to the size differential, it would take more suspension of disbelief than to accept audible sound moving through space for a tiny object with an incredibly low mass slamming into another object exponentially larger than it enough times and with enough force to both overcome its initial inertia and somehow stopping the inertial dampers that are keeping it in formation without simply vaporizing (don't even get me started on atmospheric pressure and how a ship as hollow as the Hammerhead wouldn't simply dent inward and implode from the first impact)

 

It might be a great visual, but it makes no sense in the context of the realism Star Wars used to exhibit, and to me is as hackneyed as the "endless runway" in Fast Five, or the exploding plane in Die Hard 2.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

The biggest problem the Hammerhead would have to overcome is not force but rather inertia of the much larger Star Destroyer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertia

 

I suppose you could say, " Hey, if the Star Destroyer was traveling a direction before arriving at its destination, then how come it can be maneuvered into place?"

 

That would be inertial dampers which, no matter what category be it Legends or Current Canon would have to exist for them to not keep drifting into each other or would require them to have massive retrorockets on the front of the ship.

 

So, due to the size differential, it would take more suspension of disbelief than to accept audible sound moving through space for a tiny object with an incredibly low mass slamming into another object exponentially larger than it enough times and with enough force to both overcome its initial inertia and somehow stopping the inertial dampers that are keeping it in formation without simply vaporizing (don't even get me started on atmospheric pressure and how a ship as hollow as the Hammerhead wouldn't simply dent inward and implode from the first impact)

 

It might be a great visual, but it makes no sense in the context of the realism Star Wars used to exhibit, and to me is as hackneyed as the "endless runway" in Fast Five, or the exploding plane in Die Hard 2.

 

Yeah, but it was called a HAMMERHEAD Malkior, therefore your argument is null and void

[Malkior 476]

Yeah, but it was called a HAMMERHEAD Malkior, therefore your argument is null and void

Which one?

[milestails 264]

Hammers hit nails, not ram things.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

Hammers hit nails, not ram things.

 

Ah man you got me.

[Hassat Hunter 571]

Saw it last week... will again later but that may take some time, kinda busy.

 

My review:

I liked it, a lot. Definitely way better than that IV-clone that was VII. Atleast gives some hope for VIII if they actually use an original idea once (no superweapon plz).

 

I have to agree there were some weak points though. Droid definitely was my favorite character. Monk + escort my least. Too much Force spam. Yes, this is Star Wars, the Force, we know... I don't think anything would have been lost if these 2 were cut out, were they ever really important to the plot? Could have someone else pull the trigger (without faith-walk), and there entire purpose for the movie would have been gone and we hopefully could have had more time with people I cared about. Also laser-LMG got kinda redicilous with the kill-count, another reason to scrap those 2.

 

Jyn was rather unlikable too, but I didn't mind it that much for her. Can't say I noticed anything off about CGI Tarkin, so no objections there either.

Nope, really the only thing I think that annoyed me was the Monk and crownie.

[Quanon 263]

 

It might be a great visual, but it makes no sense in the context of the realism Star Wars used to exhibit, and to me is as hackneyed as the "endless runway" in Fast Five, or the exploding plane in Die Hard 2.

 

It's space fantasy; so a lot of things don't work. I don't think the design of most spacecraft seen in Star Wars would actually workout. I certainly don't see a Star Destroyer decending into an atmosphere. I'm certain the thing would fall apart and destroy a lot of stuff on the surface, just by entering let alone hoovering above a city.

 

But, hey, I really like the SW universe; and Rogue One had a lot of beautifull shots. The Hammerhead thing is one of the tiny flaws.

I find the characters and pacing at the start of the movie far more annoying. The overdone Daddy dies scene, which felt forced to me. 

 

Those are things that break a film for me, IMO, because, you can see the potentiel, what could have been... A really great film. Now it's ok to good.

Certainly worth a rewatching just for the last 40mins of space battle and beach scenes.

[Box 8]

I really liked the Hammerhead scene. It totally redeemed that awful ship design. And it makes way more sense to use that kind of ship as a corvette than as a capital ship as seen in Kotor. It does make one consider the fact that it would be easier to just use physical projectiles against some of these ships rather than lasers that can be shielded. But you know, it would be much easier to blow up a planet by dropping an asteroid on it rather than building a space station with a giant laser cannon.

 

Anyway, I watched the movie again and I had some more thoughts on how the script was supposed to go:

-The only reason they go to Eadu is because only Jyn saw Galen's message. If they had taken the message with them, there would be no need for that whole episode and they could have had Galen on Scarif. Eadu itself seems kind of contrived. Why are the characters standing outside in a rainstorm where they can be shot at?

-There isn't a lot of context for the battle on Jedha. It happens before we've really gotten to know what's going on with the planet. There are a lot of things swirling about, with the Kyber crystals, Bohdi's defection, Saw's extremist approach to the rebellion. These things get mentioned but the battle starts before we really know what the stakes are. I think this battle likely went later in the movie after we have more detail about all of the different groups and their motivations. Specifically, Chirrut and Baze seem like they had lot of exposition and characterization cut.

-Saw Gerrera doesn't fight anyone despite being mentioned a lot by other characters. I think this has to be part of what was cut. I'm not sure but I'm thinking that Jyn was meant to find Saw before the battle, possibly as a result of being captured by his men. At that point, Saw would bring us up to speed as to what he's been doing on Jedha. Saw would then fight in the Jedha battle which would come later. I suspect Saw still dies on Jedha, quite possibly as a result of the Death Star, but with some better reasoning. Maybe Saw helps Jyn and company escape with the message but decides to stay with his men on planet and continue the fight. The whole sickness thing was itself a contrivance.

[Vriff 21]

Very few things I didn't like about the movie. Some people hit the nail on the head with Jyn's cheesy as all hell speeches. Cringe worthy. The CGI Tarkin and Leia were good in terms of CGI, but the technology is still very evident and it's pretty obvious.

 

I absolutely loved how everyone died, how the rebels were portrayed as willing to do what amounts to terrorist activities in order to advance their goals (which is realistic). Loved that they showed what might happen to someone who was force sensitive that didn't get caught by the Inquisitors. Really good movie. End Vader scene probably one of my favorite of any movie.

[Ebony Moon 187]

Favorite scene: Krennic looks up, sees the Death Star looming on the horizon.

 

The Death Star looked a thousand times more ominous there than it ever did in space shots.

[Rinku 22]

Watched the movie last night (came out in China 2 days ago).

 

Thoughts:

• Everything up to the final battle reeked of reshoots....Scariff onwards was enjoyable - though those stormtroopers sure do have a bad KDR haha.
• There was some weird, out of left field, sexual tension in the Jyn/Cassin scenes following the transmission of the plans.
• The CGI Tarkin and Leia were obvious; but demonstrates that Disney has an interest in growing the possibilities of CGI facial structures. While utilizing real-life costumed characters with full prosthetics is preferable, this indicates that there will soon be equally immersive CGI experiences and characters.
• The Hammerhead pushing a Star Destroyer, which subsequently sliced up another Star Destroyer had me laughing (#MakeTheOldRepublicGreatAgain)
• The Vader we saw is the Vader we deserve (and now I want a movie that is just 2 hours of Vader wrecking everyone).

 

Thinking about it more, I think I have a good idea of what happened in the first act and where things got messed up in the reshoot. There was actually more exposition in the movie than I remembered. It's just that a significant of it is spent building up the Forest Whitaker character and his group of meta-rebels. But then he dies for no good reason and that whole plotline ends up being really unimportant to the rest of the movie. I'm guessing that in the original shoot, that part was longer and the whole assassination mission on the stormy canyon planet wasn't there. I'm also guessing the Kaiburr crystals played the role of an actual MacGuffin. We hear that they're important to building the Death Star but the Empire is already done extracting them by the time the characters arrive there. Well I'm not completely sure. When I watch it again, I'll try to figure out what other scenes seemed out of place.

I agree. The whole assasination mission felt wedged into the movie.  Also, it seems that with the reshoot, Jyn Erso lost whatever character development they planned and became a Mary Sue (same goes with her father) - thus making her future speeches feel out of character.

 

 

The lack of a proper Star Wars soundtrack, outside of maybe 30 seconds of cues (mostly for Vader) and the end credits really negatively impacted the feel and impact of it. There's a reason why the pre-screenings of A New Hope with no music that Lucas did for the likes of Spielberg were so heavily criticised. The John Williams score is Star Wars. If this is what we have to look forward to in the post-Williams era then ugh. At the very least they should never hire whatever guy scored Rogue One again.

I entirely disagree. I felt that Michael Giacchino did a great job incorperating enough elements to give the movie a Star Wars vibe, while also distinguishing the movie as its own story (and the first stand-alone, live-action movie by Disney). Especially considering he had four and a half weeks to compose the score.

[xander2077 80]

i think that TFA should be burned in the streets, and that disney ruined star wars 7 more than lucas did in episodes 1-3 (which only needs a few parts either changed or fast forwarded) but 7 needs to be recalled, removed from canon and refunds should be issued, the only things worth keeping from it were the death of han solo and luke receiving his fathers saber once again, but i gave them (disney) a chance anyway on this.

 

i dont do plot spoilers of really new movies, but it was a war movie, and because star wars is a war story, and not chukee cheeze kids fun place, it made the move more spiritually in line with the episode 4 and 5 (my favorite). i would watch it again. i liked the cgi myself, and thought that it was more than adequate. tarkin looked better than the one they did in ep3. they did really good on a few others. humor never seems out of place in war, it is moments of levity that help one get past the insanity, so that was totally appropriate. yes it has a dark tone, and it is an adult movie: but people exposed to trauma regularly, have a twisted sense of humor, have to)

 

i also liked the easter eggs. i liked how they presented the devastation caused by a super weapon, and not the party popper explosions we saw in the past. it really drove home why it was imperative to not only stop the death star but destroy it.

 

i think this was a good blueprint for the direction of future star wars films, now if we could just do major overhauls on episodes 6, 1, 2, 3, and 7 then i would be satisfied with the broader story arc.

[Guest]

i think that TFA should be burned in the streets, and that disney ruined star wars 7 more than lucas did in episodes 1-3 (which only needs a few parts either changed or fast forwarded) but 7 needs to be recalled, removed from canon and refunds should be issued, the only things worth keeping from it were the death of han solo and luke receiving his fathers saber once again, but i gave them (disney) a chance anyway on this.

 

i dont do plot spoilers of really new movies, but it was a war movie, and because star wars is a war story, and not chukee cheeze kids fun place, it made the move more spiritually in line with the episode 4 and 5 (my favorite). i would watch it again. i liked the cgi myself, and thought that it was more than adequate. tarkin looked better than the one they did in ep3. they did really good on a few others. humor never seems out of place in war, it is moments of levity that help one get past the insanity, so that was totally appropriate. yes it has a dark tone, and it is an adult movie.

 

i also liked the easter eggs. i liked how they presented the devastation caused by a super weapon, and not the party popper explosions we saw in the past. it really drove home why it was imperative to not only stop the death star but destroy it.

 

i think this was a good blueprint for the direction of future star wars films, now if we could just do major overhauls on episodes 6, 1, 2, 3, and 7 then i would be satisfied with the broader story arc.

 

 

LOL, so you don't like the majority of Star Wars then? 

[xander2077 80]

LOL, so you don't like the majority of Star Wars then? 

 

If i didnt like it i would not be here, but yeah i dont like the slippery slope lucas fell down when he started with the ewoks in episode 6, and yes my favorite of all of them is episode 5 (sets the bar for the rest really)

[Guest]

If i didnt like it i would not be here, but yeah i dont like the slippery slope lucas fell down when he started with the ewoks in episode 6, and yes my favorite of all of them is episode 5 (sets the bar for the rest really)

 

Well, it's an interesting thought. The whole pile of stuff where Gary Kurtz would've made a completely different third installment, at the time.

But I have to say there's little I'd trade Vader's Redemption for and the excellent dynamic between Luke, Vader and the Emperor. 

[xander2077 80]

Well, it's an interesting thought. The whole pile of stuff where Gary Kurtz would've made a completely different third installment, at the time.

But I have to say there's little I'd trade Vader's Redemption for and the excellent dynamic between Luke, Vader and the Emperor. 

no that was essential to the story really. if you look at it, luke finally successfully confronted vader (not fighting, but confronting as in attempting to save him) which made luke a true jedi, and vader did restore balance to the force, he was the chosen one, by tossing palpatine down the elevator shaft, he brought balance back, and saved himself, although he took a path that mace windu did not appreciate, it was the only way to get close enough to defeat palpatine. in the eyes of the force it was necessary.

 

i just dont like the marketing campaign introduced with the kid centric characters that try too hard to include kids, when in reality kids are going to gravitate to and were doing so with star wars anyway, they didnt need to make star wars more kid centric. i understand why lucas did it, not just for the toy sales, but for the broader audience, but it makes me roll eyes a bit.

 

as far as the whole dark vs light argument, im more of a blend between the two. i believe like many early jedi that you must embrace both the dark and light parts of yourself, not supress the dark side, and not go completely dark. both are essential tools/allies. the wars between dark and light began when people began to favor, or push one or the other, or restrict the use of one or the other. i think people should be able to choose what they use when they need to

[Sith Holocron 2,471]

OK, I finally saw it. [Movies always come late here.]

 

I unfortunately knew that everyone died because when trying to click off this Rogue One update from the main page, it brought me into the thread.  However, I can't say I was surprised.  It is a war movie.

 

I also wasn't surprised by lack of scroll or the lack of the traditional Star Wars theme at the start.  These one-offs are likely to continue departing from the standard Star Wars series and I think that's all for the better.  Leave the scrolls for the main series and let the side movies have a little breathing room.  And we all know how picky I can be about the small details.  (For example, don't get me started on the wrong font used for the opening scroll in TFA.)

 

Wasn't a huge fan of Felicity Jones - especially the supposedly "inspiring speech" but I wonder how much of that is due to the director.  Krennic similarly left me unimpressed but in his case, it was the entirety of the performance.

 

I liked the cameos for Red Leader, Gold Leader, Dr. Cornelius Evazan, and Ponda Baba.

 

The CGI for Tarkin was really distracting.  I don't think they had the shape of face right and I think they let the model have too much movement. I was expecting the opposite to happen.  Young Princess Leia also seemed off - especially around the eyes. I imagine it'll be something I'll have to look closer at on home video. 

 

I think that expecting every little thing to be explained makes a movie suffer.  We'll probably never get a full accounting of those "Guardians of the Whills"  - nice reference BTW - and I like that.

 

I am curious how the music score would've been if they didn't have the reshoots.  (Alexandre Desplat was originally scheduled to do it, not Michael Giacchino. I'm also curious about those reshoots. As I've been doing by best to avoid the coverage of Rogue One, did they go into any detail about why the reshoots were necessary?

 

Hammers hit nails, not ram things.

I thought that ship seemed to nail the Star Destroyer OK. [cue rimshot]