Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[zbyl2 811]

Cool scene, thanks!

 

Unrelated but did we ever learn how the Jedi learned about the Rule of Two? Since Bane decided to stay in hiding, and one would assume so did the Sith after him until Episode I. Talking pre-Disney canon here, of course.

[Haveayap 127]

I am just going to say bane is canon, not his story so everything you know about him can be chucked out the window

[H!dden 4]

Cool scene, thanks!

 

Unrelated but did we ever learn how the Jedi learned about the Rule of Two? Since Bane decided to stay in hiding, and one would assume so did the Sith after him until Episode I. Talking pre-Disney canon here, of course.

They really haven't dug deep into how the Jedi knew about the rule of two. I think that at the end of TPM, Yoda and Mace Windu were talking about the Sith and Yoda said there's always 2 Sith, a master and an apprentice, though they didn't know which one was killed by Obi-wan. Besides that, I don't believe there's anything else to that unless I'm missing something.

[N-DReW25 1,341]

They really haven't dug deep into how the Jedi knew about the rule of two. I think that at the end of TPM, Yoda and Mace Windu were talking about the Sith and Yoda said there's always 2 Sith, a master and an apprentice, though they didn't know which one was killed by Obi-wan. Besides that, I don't believe there's anything else to that unless I'm missing something.

All that's really known in Canon is that there is a Master and an Apprentice and Darth Bane created it (There may be a mention in CW or rebels though if there was it'd be minor) 

[zbyl2 811]

They really haven't dug deep into how the Jedi knew about the rule of two. I think that at the end of TPM, Yoda and Mace Windu were talking about the Sith and Yoda said there's always 2 Sith, a master and an apprentice, though they didn't know which one was killed by Obi-wan. Besides that, I don't believe there's anything else to that unless I'm missing something.

Yeah, exactly, that exchange between Yoda and Windu always confused me, because how did they know about Rule of Two. Was wondering if it was ever explained somewhere, hence the question.

[Guest]

Yeah, exactly, that exchange between Yoda and Windu always confused me, because how did they know about Rule of Two. Was wondering if it was ever explained somewhere, hence the question.

 

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/13829/when-how-did-yoda-come-to-know-about-the-rule-of-two

 

Good topic on it. 

[xander2077 80]

Something tells me that due to controversy surrounding the different story lines, the books, comics and movies, Disney went pragmatic and chucked it all regardless of whether or not any of it had merit or depth. But on the other hand it could be seen as lazy, or the typical corporate nonsense we all know about from jobs. I'm kinda at the point where I want to see them sew it up and be done with it, kind of like Harrison Ford insisting on being killed off in ep 7. It has degenerated to glow stick waving form of Idiocracy.

 

If you asked anyone pre-episode 7 how the jedi knew about bane, it was simple. His effect on the force was so explosive when he snuffed out the other Sith the impact was felt by all Jedi, and the pattern emerged of "the rule of two" from observing it: from that time through the majority of SW films. Even in the books, games (JK series) etc, there was clearly a difference between Sith and run of the mill Dark Jedi. Sith were more powerful.

 

This is not by any means original of them to claim Snoke is not a Sith lord and just training dark knights/minions, how many times have we seen something similar in SW lore?

 

I have my own theory that would make it all even more diabolical but i might be wrong. I think Snoke=Plagueis (the Munilist) and the larger than life character is actually just a really well done hologram. That his ability to create life gave him the last laugh over Palpatine and he is much more sinister and cunning in his plans. If that were true then it would be a morality tale on how you can't really be sure if you have gotten rid of the bad guy or not, because the layers are deeper, and deeper.

[revan21 22]

Something tells me that due to controversy surrounding the different story lines, the books, comics and movies, Disney went pragmatic and chucked it all regardless of whether or not any of it had merit or depth. But on the other hand it could be seen as lazy, or the typical corporate nonsense we all know about from jobs. I'm kinda at the point where I want to see them sew it up and be done with it, kind of like Harrison Ford insisting on being killed off in ep 7. It has degenerated to glow stick waving form of Idiocracy.

 

If you asked anyone pre-episode 7 how the jedi knew about bane, it was simple. His effect on the force was so explosive when he snuffed out the other Sith the impact was felt by all Jedi, and the pattern emerged of "the rule of two" from observing it: from that time through the majority of SW films. Even in the books, games (JK series) etc, there was clearly a difference between Sith and run of the mill Dark Jedi. Sith were more powerful.

 

This is not by any means original of them to claim Snoke is not a Sith lord and just training dark knights/minions, how many times have we seen something similar in SW lore?

 

I have my own theory that would make it all even more diabolical but i might be wrong. I think Snoke=Plagueis (the Munilist) and the larger than life character is actually just a really well done hologram. That his ability to create life gave him the last laugh over Palpatine and he is much more sinister and cunning in his plans. If that were true then it would be a morality tale on how you can't really be sure if you have gotten rid of the bad guy or not, because the layers are deeper, and deeper.

I don't get why there is a controvery surronding what was carried over from Legends. Is going on Wookiepedia and just looking it up so hard for so many people ?

We haven't seen any Dark Side user besides the Sith on the big screen. For the casual Star Wars fan it would be something new. 

Pablo Hidalgo, Creative Executive of the Lucasfilm Story Group, confirmed on Twitter (Source) that Plagueis was killed by Palpatine. Snoke being Plageius would really be even more unoriginal than Starkiller Base, seeing how it's the number one theory for who Snoke really is. 

[xander2077 80]

Looking it up is not hard, but reading every line of the source material they used to populate the wikI is. From a business perspective, hiring a team to ensure continuity between all the overlapping story lines would be insanely convoluted, and that is where the controversy would start, by people arguing over what to cherry pick and what not to cherry pick to include in the canon. So they took a machete to the overall plot in the extended universe and that was that.

 

I think when they put out tweets and "confirmations", take it with a grain of salt, plus its getting to the point where they want so bad to be original they change things around, but yet keep them the same, because they keep having to go back to the original movies and characters, this makes the execution of it terrible. It is kind of funny really "oh we are doing something original" and then they go play the same notes and beats in episode 7 only not as good or compelling as in episode 4. "no we're not doing that" but then they go and do it anyway. "we don't want to copy or gain inspiration from any of the old material" but yet again they do just that. At this point they are not even the slightest bit convincing. I think the fan base could actually come up with better material than they could at this point.

[revan21 22]

Looking it up is not hard, but reading every line of the source material they used to populate the wikI is. From a business perspective, hiring a team to ensure continuity between all the overlapping story lines would be insanely convoluted, and that is where the controversy would start, by people arguing over what to cherry pick and what not to cherry pick to include in the canon. So they took a machete to the overall plot in the extended universe and that was that.

 

I think when they put out tweets and "confirmations", take it with a grain of salt, plus its getting to the point where they want so bad to be original they change things around, but yet keep them the same, because they keep having to go back to the original movies and characters, this makes the execution of it terrible. It is kind of funny really "oh we are doing something original" and then they go play the same notes and beats in episode 7 only not as good or compelling as in episode 4. "no we're not doing that" but then they go and do it anyway. "we don't want to copy or gain inspiration from any of the old material" but yet again they do just that. At this point they are not even the slightest bit convincing. I think the fan base could actually come up with better material than they could at this point.

Disney really needed a clean slade for the sequels. The Star Wars novel craze that followed "Heirs to the Empire" in the 90s and the following interest in the EU left no room for any movies set after Episode 6 that include Luke, Han or Leia.

Pablo Hidalgo is the person that decides what material should become canon or not. The movie directors and anybody who writes the storeis for the novels and comics has to consult him about the stuff they want to add. He is the number one source for informations like that. 

The reason why Episode 7 is so ,uch like Episode 4 is because it was the first movie of this new era of Star Wars. I can't even imagine the pressure JJ Abrams had on him while writing a sequel to one of the biggest, most iconic movie franchises in the world. Until now there is no indication that Episode 8 is doing the same thing 7 did and that should make us hope that Rian Johnson is trying something new after Episode 8 was such a huge success.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

I don't get why there is a controvery surronding what was carried over from Legends. Is going on Wookiepedia and just looking it up so hard for so many people ?

We haven't seen any Dark Side user besides the Sith on the big screen. For the casual Star Wars fan it would be something new. 

Pablo Hidalgo, Creative Executive of the Lucasfilm Story Group, confirmed on Twitter (Source) that Plagueis was killed by Palpatine. Snoke being Plageius would really be even more unoriginal than Starkiller Base, seeing how it's the number one theory for who Snoke really is. 

 

Just saying that if Snoke really was Plagueis and it's supposed to be a big reveal, I doubt Pablo Hidalgo would come out and admit that Plagues was not in fact killed.

 

As far as Snoke = Plagueis, it may be the number one theory, but the other theories are garbage. I doubt Snoke's identity will be that big of a reveal anyways

[Haveayap 127]

Just saying that if Snoke really was Plagueis and it's supposed to be a big reveal, I doubt Pablo Hidalgo would come out and admit that Plagues was not in fact killed.

 

As far as Snoke = Plagueis, it may be the number one theory, but the other theories are garbage. I doubt Snoke's identity will be that big of a reveal anyways

Smoke can't be plagueis, he is obviously a time travelling kylo ten from the future LOL. Most of these theories I have read were ridiculous and not compelling at all

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

Smoke can't be plagueis, he is obviously a time travelling kylo ten from the future LOL. Most of these theories I have read were ridiculous and not compelling at all

I've read that one. I've also read that he could be Mace Windu, The Inquisitor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine, The Sith Emperor from The Old Republic...

[revan21 22]

Smoke can't be plagueis, he is obviously a time travelling kylo ten from the future LOL. Most of these theories I have read were ridiculous and not compelling at all

Thats not even the worst one. I saw a video that claimed that he was the real Anakin Skywalker and that Darth Vader was a clone. No kidding. Must have been a slow month for Star Wars channels on YouTube. 

I just want him to be an original character.

 

Just saying that if Snoke really was Plagueis and it's supposed to be a big reveal, I doubt Pablo Hidalgo would come out and admit that Plagues was not in fact killed.

 

As far as Snoke = Plagueis, it may be the number one theory, but the other theories are garbage. I doubt Snoke's identity will be that big of a reveal anyways

Interesting, that never crossed my mind. But even if Snoke was Plageuis it would be wierd that Hidalgo would make it so extremely clear that Plagueis died. 

[Haveayap 127]

Thats not even the worst one. I saw a video that claimed that he was the real Anakin Skywalker and that Darth Vader was a clone. No kidding. Must have been a slow month for Star Wars channels on YouTube.

I just want him to be an original character.

 

Interesting, that never crossed my mind. But even if Snoke was Plageuis it would be wierd that Hidalgo would make it so extremely clear that Plagueis died.

its possible. Many people have guessed at this and him saying that plageuis isn't snoke stops people from talking about this. If he is somebody, I think plageuis is the most plausible

[zbyl2 811]

[xander2077 80]

^^^^ Thats about right

[Hassat Hunter 571]

I don't mind... it's a title that would have fitted KOTOR2 (rather than The Sith Lords which were meaningless).

 

Anything going KOTOR2 style can't be bad

 

Now follow Luke Skywalker to collect the 4 masters/maps/Jedi in a whole new movie.

[sEcOnDbOuToFiNsAnItY 60]

... Honestly, that's a painful title. Ow.

 

And it doesn't really sound like a KOTOR title either - that'd be something like The Jedi Master(s). This... it sounds like the kind of thing my ten-year-old self might have thought up in the midst of an over the top made up sequel role play.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

http://moviecreedlive.com/entertainment/2671843-anakin-skywalker-return-star-wars-the-last-jedi/

 

 

Now kill eachother with words

 

Respectfully discuss your thoughts and opinions

[zbyl2 811]

Dude.

 

Spoilers.

[Lawkmt3 17]

Oh please let it be true!

[Eauxps I. Fourgott 81]

Doesn't seem to me to be certain by any means.

 

And I'm not entirely sure I would particularly enjoy that anyway, even if it did happen. I always found prequels-Anakin to be rather annoying.

[Lawkmt3 17]

That was bad writing and direction, not the actor's fault.

[134340Goat 116]

I'd love it to death, but I feel like this is just clickbait that's getting more attention than your average clickbaity article