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Srsly though, Benicio had either be Ezra or Thrawn otherwise I may have problems

#rekt I actually like some of the stylizations, but I digress it looks a bit too much like ME And I can tell this won't be done for the next 10 years

Hey, hate to be a bug but just wondering what the progress is on fixing that installer

I just re-watched the trailer... is it just me, or did I catch a glimpse of The Maw after that scene with that hooded figure? Nah, found a good site though it's not HD, so I'll settle for DVRing. If you got a better option though for sure pm me and I'll check it out Didn't catch Maz in the trailer, could you point out where you saw it? Just re-watched it and you're exactly right, his facial structure is reminiscent of him as well... (can we not discuss whether we liked TFA or not in this thread though, because then the same thing that happened there will happen here >_<) Well with Rakata Prime being canon now, those ships looking mighty like hammerheads, it looks like they are prepping for that. Tieing Revan into the main canon would be fantastic in my opinion, but also for the franchise because Revan is an immensely popular character. And they can absolutely do a selective canon here, by virtue rendering the horrific TOR non-canon

Gotta say I'm excited for this, and I especially like how anakin's design changed from TCW to this show. And just how menacing did Matt Lanter sound there, my god that gave me chills AAAAND from this trailer it looks like Ezra's fate is teased... he's gonna go to the dark side. Calling it right now And how about that TFA connection with the crossguard green saber? And who was the hooded sith? Not palpatine, could it be an earlier snoke/Plageuis? Any thoughts about upcoming? Oh, and by the way, is there any way I can stream previous season 2 episodes? BEcause I am really behind on it :V

Perhaps, but it's also hard to judge LOTR as a standalone since they all are parts of a great saga, and I think that's how Disney is shaping the new trilogy. As for deviation, I think it is more or less in how the story was told and with what characters, for example, how Ironic was it that Han Solo of all people was the one who told rey and finn about the force? I think, though, the deviation was pretty muc hthere Originality is something a lot of movies lack, especially star wars. As long as the story is told well, and done right, it will fly for me. That's my take on it, but I can respect your wish for a bit more deviation.

Thanks for that man, and I'll read all of your previous post eventually, but I just got off work so LOL TBQH, I think this is what they are playing off though: Events repeating, the ring theory, etc, and maybe it's why Luke ended up just walking away, because he knew that these events would keep happening? Maybe that would be the plot... That would be brilliant There's just too much we don't know for us to be making assumptions about the entire movie and trilogy at this point as it deliberately leaves so much vague

Lol, guess I'm a troll for having a response. So I'm not allowed to respond to something I feel has flaws, in a thread that's about discussing the movie? Ok. If you're going to make a point, expect someone to respond. Debate 101, and if you're going to act like an idiot then expect to be ridiculed somewhat. Don't get mad when we can actually point stuff wrong. The proof is in the pudding that He said there was SOME re-usages, that doesn't mean it was an ANH rip off. If your logic goes by that then TPM is a ripoff of ANH, and ANH is total garbage for ripping off Joseph Cambell EDIT: Snap, looks like I copied off leonard there I can argue the facts when they are hilariously wrong and ridiculously construed... He said he can see why you'd think that, but actually the several HOMAGES were intentional. I don't think that counts as a blanket copy paste. You're saying how I'm mad, and yet you're the one sounding upset because I can stand by my opinion and back it up with facts while you keep saying stuff without giving sufficient evidence to back it up. Have a Nice Day Please let me know when you can actually debate and use reading skills

Then go watch those movies because Star Wars has never been a "sophisticated" sci-fi movie, it's basically like LOTR: An epic retelling of the hero's journey with slightly different events, results, and whole new characters. If you want sophisitication, go watch Interstellar, 2001, or the Martian, Alien, etc. So in your words then, you're fine with MMFR for being a "remake" but not Star Wars? The double standard is strong with this one. You seemed to be in awe of EU, but then EU made the new darth vader as Han and Leia's son (Jacen Solo). Forgot about that did you? As for Kylo, Maybe you're not taking into account the massive amount of pressure he probably was under, being the grand son of Darth Vader, son of the famous Han Solo and Leia Organa, and nephew to Luke Skywalker, and having to live up to their legacy? Just because he's their son doesn't make him the personality of Han and Leia, let alone the two most likely had marital problems because Han isn't the 9-5 kind of father, rather he probably wasn't home much. that logic by the way then should be applied to Anakin and how he never should have become evil because he fought for good and was a good soul as a young slave It's not flame bait, it's a genuine question when you basically categorized all of us who like TFA to have a "lower standard of entertainment". I don't know VP very well, but he doesn't seem to be the kind of person who flame baits. If he was, he would have been far more active in this thread. I like how you think I'm a troll simply because I am capable of forming a counter-argument and being able to maintain it, but believe what you want then. Not my fault that you don't bother to check the other side of the coin

Lol I'm backtracking? I watched the video on screen maybe you should read the articles I put up. Thanks for proving me right on that you don't actually read. This is what he says, rather than "Admitting that he ripped off ANH" as you say he did He's conceding the opposite point of view, giving the other side "I can see what you mean, but this is what it really is", not outright saying "oh you're totally right I ripped off ANH". This is something I believe the movies are playing on, and might make a part as to why Luke left, because history keeps repeating itself, ALA the Ring Theory, but let's immediately hate on the movie because it has similarities to A New Hope. Don't see him saying in ANY of these quotes that he ripped off A new hope, seems to me you didn't even read that article on the screen as you claim you did. Also, read that 40 plot points article i posted

And this is why I laugh at you dissenters, because you don't read any evidence from the other side rather than the stuff you bring up and think you're correct, completely ignoring everything else. Have you even thought about that maybe the guy misquoted JJ abrams and only used a part of it? It's quite easy to do that in a youtube video. Look at both sides of the coin before jumping to a conclusion.

Using an article might be better considering that youtube vid is extremely biased, keep trying on that whole "it totally ripped of ANH whine whine whine!", because he doesn't have to justify himself to anyone. http://www.slashfilm.com/j-j-abrams-responds-to-the-force-awakens-a-new-hope-comparisons/ this one works too --> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/jj-abrams-criticism-star-wars-the-force-awakens-a-new-hope-rip-off-a6804546.html

Did I say it was significant? You're forgetting the hilt is made of some kind of metal, which definitely does carry some sort of weight including the crystal inside. Maybe not as heavy as a general sword, but I don't see how it would be that disoreinting, and notice that Finn wasn't exactly good with the lightsaber anyway. His melee training prevented him from being completely inept, but he was defeated easily nonetheless

Then read my post, because I think that answers it suitingly for the context of the movie.

Nice job not being able to respond to my other points, I'm still waiting for someone to do that Except that EU is no longer canon and that lore is as well, as 2013, all previous material other than the movies and the clone wars series was no longer canon. That "fact" is extremely obscure and didn't even apply to the movies. Regardless of you opinion of Clone Wars, it's canon and thus it shows standard people can use lightsabers. Pretend it's not canon all you like, but it is according to George Lucas Canon and Disney canon, and that West End games RPG probably said the same thing as for the reason kotor did: for a game design so the non jedi classes can't use lightsabers to create game balance Oh, and let me point out that "lore" was ignored by George Lucas himself when he allowed Pre Vizla and General Grievous to be able to use lightsabers. And you know this how? your vast and infinite knowledge of this movie? She had to learn that the gun she was holding had a safety on, and like I said if you actually can read, we don't even know her past so how can you say she didn't know how to do some of that through actual training.

Source--> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Order Looks like the rebel scum won to me. :/ I defend issues the movie obviously doesn't have, and I have the right to state my counter-points. If the Rebellion didn't win, then why were they the dominant government in the galaxy and the Empire wasn't even present? If the Empire was truly "re-organized" then that in itself is a victory for the Rebellion because it overtook the Empire as the DOMINANT FORCE IN THE GALAXY, second to the fact that the Empire signed the treaty in order to survive. Do you not understand politics? I'm curious why you only address this point rather than my others, given that you think they are "obvious issues". Not only that, but I don't think you've ever addressed all of my points in a post, let alone read half of what I've written. As for that, I'm thinking you're taking issue with the fact that I CAN provide counterpoints and explanations to these "issues", let alone that you seem to take issue yourself with those that like the movie for what it is. I'm still waiting on the responses to that 40 points debunked article i posted AND the cinemasins SW video

Again, non canon and used as an excuse so the non-jedi classes were restricted from using them Because that makes all the difference in the span of 5 minutes of training all together. Obi-Wan literally sat back and just said "use the force" without telling him how to actually use the lightsaber.

Where has it ever been said that a lightsaber is weightless? Please, tell me, because then Luke would not have been able to deflect those blaster bolts so easily on the Falcon in ANH since he had ZERO training prior by that logic that it requires training.

But Finn has had training with melee, it's shown that every stormtrooper learns to use that one baton, and as for the "weightlessness" regardless of that, the principle is the same as a sword... with lasers. how many times do I need to say this? Because it's not his gun nor his style, it's like how you use your same car for 10 years while the wife uses hers, then you swap one day and are like "wow!"

It wasnt status quo. The Rebellion Won, and established a new government to replace the Empire known as the Republic, however a terrorist organization known as The First Order devoted to the ideals of the Empire wanted to reverse that. It's like how ISIS cropped up about 10 years after Al Queda's deal. And yes it is a gross oversimplification. The similarities to the other movies were intentionally done by Abrams rather than by accident, and second of all the movie has some big differences How would you feel if you had a great project that was yours, one that you worked so hard on, to only have it blow up in your face and then screw everything over? Luke only had a week's worth of training total, so he's not exactly some sort of all-knowing Jedi Master. If the Jedi of old made mistakes and were trained for years, expect Luke to create some big screw ups. Also, this is 30 years later in the saga, people change. If you read EU as well as you thought, Leia didn't become a student until she was older than she is in this movie... simply because she didn't want to do it. Just because you can become a jedi doesn't mean you'd want to, even though I would. Second of all, the Resistance is an offshoot on the New Republic You should read that response to the 40 plot holes. Han Solo lost his son to becoming a mass murder, that's as bad as if he died. When parents lose a son like that, it affects then deeply and psychologically scars them. Generally when that happens to people, they tend to go back to something comfortable and familiar, in this case for Han it was smuggling simply because it helps him forget the hurt. Psychology 101. Second of all, wtf kind of logic is that about the bowcaster? It's a weapon that's the size of an m4 carbine, and doesn't exactly appear to be that heavy. And if we're pulling "Well according to EU," please remember that Kyle Katarn had no trouble wielding bowcasters throughout the Jedi Knight series, or Delta Squad for that matter in Republic Commando. We knew Han was going to die. Why? Because Harrison wanted him to die way back in ROTJ and there was no way he'd do it again without killing him off. I don't understand how it holds no emotional impact when he basically evolves to the point from being a douchebag to a caring father who's willing to give up his life for a chance to save his son. Because the movie needs to include every single character of the OT... For that matter, where was he in the prequels? Where's palpatine in the new movies? Where's Boba Fett in the new movies, WHERES JABBA's CORPSE Once again... where is it mentioned, if ever, that non-force wielders can't use a lightsaber? Han cut open a tauntaun with a lightsaber, guess he should have died instantly. How about Pre Vizla from the Clone Wars series who has no force abilities what so ever yet is seen nearly beating Obi-Wan? Your established lore doesn't even exist, and also to expand: Lightsabers aren't generally used by non-force users simply because they can't predict blaster bolts coming in, and it is about as useful as a sword in an age of guns to non force users. Tends to happen when he gets launched in a different direction from Finn, it's not that hard. He's actually a good pilot that can show his skill finally with the movie technology we have With Luke, his skill wasn't exactly as pronounced simply due to the constrained filming tech of the time. He's friends with finn because he rescued him and maybe people just are easy to get along with. Also, wedge wasn't in the movie because the actor thought being in Star Wars again was beneath him I guess if the villain is a human person with a struggle between light and dark rather than a mysterious figure, he's automatically pathetic. How would you feel, considering that your grandfather was a huge sith lord and you had to live up to the legacy of your family members? As for the "finish what you started", yes we know Vader redeemed himself but maybe you're leaving out the possibility that this is more manipulation by Snoke. We're not supposed to fear him, we're supposed to sympathize and simultaneously get angry with because he betrays his father. Are you kidding me? She says she's a pilot in the freaking movie, she wouldn't say that if she had never piloted anything in her life. Second of all she spent half of her life on a desert junkyard with tons of electronic junk that she has to scavenge to make a living... If you want to survive, you tend to pick up a thing or two. She has a staff, and that's basically the same idea as a lightsaber because a lightsaber is just a sword made of lasers. As for a blaster, it's not that hard... All it takes is point and shoot ( plus the safety for that gun) and I'm sure she's fired a blaster before on Jakku. Apparently the idea of learn fast or die can't apply to star wars, and second of all we know the force is a deity, one with a will. There are times where it guides individuals. She let her instincts take control, which allowed her to be so potent. Second of all, let's discuss why Luke wasn't as good to start "I don't believe it!" - Luke "That is why you fail" - Yoda It's that simple, but Rey probably did believe she can do it because she didn't have much choice. As kreia says: "Nothing is impossible with the Force" Kylo Renn isn't even a full sith, Snoke said it himself that he needed to complete his training and he wasn't as effective because he was injured by chewbacca's bowcaster when he was shot, a weapon that we see is immensely powerful... I think that would severly hamper his ability to fight as well as he can, but Finn get's his asskicked, and Rey succeeds because Finn managed to injure Renn a bit before being chopped down. Wait, a New Hope was about finding the lost Jedi instead of Destroying the Death Star? Oh I should have known! We're giving it a pass because it's a good movie, it doesn't blatantly copy off the original. If we're going that route, then remember the "original" copied directly from Joseph Campell and the Hero's Journey, which i put the link to earlier in the thread Have you ever heard of something called the force? It tends to affect things in the physical realm, with or without motivation. That locked door is easily explained by that. As for the light saber, that's something you can attribute to a plot element that will be explained in the next movie. Actually Star Trek fans generally liked the new movie, it was Into Darkness that was shunned. Star Trek 09 was only smacked on by some of the hardcore original series fanboys.

So I just stumbled onto this, a quite good response to that huffington post article of "40 unforgiveable plot holes" (has profanity in it, if that offends you then don't click)--> http://epicstream.com/news/Star-Wars-Fan-Debunks-Huff-Posts-40-Unforgivable-Plot-Holes-in-The-Force-Awakens

Oh absolutely, ROTS and ESB had star wars's finest pieces and are the best tracks yet, but despite that I still enjoyed the track for the movie. TBQH the only music track I didn't enjoy was AOTC. Other than Across the stars, most of the music was re-used from episode I and the ones they came up with were mostly bleh (I don't count the arena, because that actually wasn't used mostly until episode 3). Like I said earlier, I think williams and Abrams tried a different perspective. Rather than setting the tone for the scene, I think they let the scenes speak for themselves with the music simply filling the gaps. It's a restrained form, and I think it worked fine. TBH I rank this track overall at 5th best, behind ROTJ but ahead of TPM. (btw, you guys should seriously watch that cinemasins video, it points out some really glaring stuff that even I haven't noticed before even though it's for comedic purposes)

I wish they were paying me, because I love doing this. "Read the article, I will say that most of those points are accurate,... mostly. however, doesn't stop me from loving it still" You wonder why I get condescending and then you don't bother to read what I say. I haven't said everyone is making stupid arguments, only the ones who actually do. Now, I have said no more superweapons would be nice... R2 waking up was super convenient, Rey's sudden ability with the force also being too convenient, and the over-the-top bit of Finn standing on rey's face...really...and that there was little to no explanation on why the Republic wasn't openly fighting the First Order. Now, does that make the movie bad for me? No, I still like it. What I'm also saying is that the original movies also had a lot of huge flaws as pointed out by the video... does that mean they are automatically bad movies? the issue I'm pointing out is double standards and hypocrisy

Read the article, I will say that most of those points are accurate,... mostly. however, doesn't stop me from loving it still For those of you ripping on TFA for having a lot of issues of convenience and stupidity, watch this: and without nostalgia goggles (oh, and btw, yes they usually are for comedy but these are quite accurate) Guess defecting stormtroopers turning good, a reasonably humanized villain, and a plot that revolves around finding a missing person counts as un original for star wars. Since when has star wars been original? --> http://www.moongadget.com/origins/myth.html this shows how much star wars practically copied mythology. This... makes no sense, why wouldn't that happen? It's motivation for Rey to be pissed at Kylo... I respect your opinion but hot damn... If you think this movie is worse than attack of the clones, then there's not much to be said there So was anakin, but we don't even know why he fell, second of all the old man in the beginning is probably someone who will be clarified later (anyone think he looks like Kanan from rebels?) I'm sorry, but the rest of that post I'm just gonna leave there because it's just too mind-numbing to read, and I'd probably be a bit too hostile for your liking... Chill out and maybe watch the movie with a clear head, because that stuff sounds practically made my head hurt with how little sense it made. And I've already said how the movie isn't a copy of a new hope.