Doctor Evil

We get it, you don't like the superweapon plot. Sorry that it was enough to ruin your experience, but please stop. We're not discussing it anymore because it has come to the point of people about to throw knives at each other. So unless you have something else to talk about other than what YOU think is a ginormous issue, I'd ask you please refrain from doing so because we've had enough of going off at each other. If you want to complain about it, please make another topic to do so. Can't believe I have to say this to an admin Hey man, it's the bro-code. When your bro's girl ditched your bro, take the side of the bro

I actually thought the death scene brought Han's character full circle. We see him start out in episode IV without really a care in the world, and he's now transformed into this figure who's ready to sacrifice himself so that he may have a chance of bringing his son back. That scene alone made Han's evolution as a character beautiful. It's also the anti-thesis of the Darth Vader-Luke on Bespin scene where Vader is trying to take Luke with him to the dark side, tempting him, where Ren mentions he is tempted by the Light side and this is his big choice. The last scene is up for debate, we still don't know if Luke actually knows her, I think it might be nice if they absolutely know nothing about each other what-so-ever, but we'll find out 2 years

TBQH Episode II i've kind of wanted to forget, thus it's mostly remembered in bouts of alcohol, but I do remember laughing at that segmet. I BB-8 with that scene on the thumbs up though got me, it was great, Comedy in this movie overall was well executed, but then they had the MCU guys to help em out

Gr8 b8 M8 speaking of droids, BB-8 beats 3p0 for best comedic relief droid

K bud, keep on telling yourself that while you keep editing your post with what I said later as you think it's so clever, I'm not gonna engage you in a flame war, but feel free to keep raging because I said something about EU that made you mad AAANNYYYWAYYY I'm gonna bring this baby back to what it's meant to be about: Episode VII Gotta say, one of the best scenes in the movie was Poe Dameron taking out all those Tie Fighters like nobody's business. If anything, he could give Luke a run for his money.

Lmao feelings? I'm just irritated because you're using faulty evidence of what I said and misquoting me. If there's anyone who has their feelings hurt, it's you for constantly making this topic about EU. Glad you're not responding to me directly though, proves me right yet again

You are, this is my last comment to you to defend my integrity I was referring to post ROTJ EU, which at the time I believed EU regarded anything after ROTJ, while I TOLD YOU but let's totally forget about that. Thanks for proving me right, and as for TOR I meant the Old Republic, not KOTOR or II, please actually try reading. Hopefully you will eventually return to discussing the topic at hand, until then I'm not gonna bother respond to what I see is somebody upset because their comic books no longer are canon and thus are trashing the new material because of it. Can't believe you got that offended because I don't care for it

Now it's JJ ripped this off from EU, this is hilarious I'm done here, lemme know when you all want to actually discuss stuff and what happened in the movie and what will happen rather than bitch about it like entitled children, and not go in a circle about it either. Have a nice day kids

Are...you...kidding...me? The Star Forge WAS the key to stopping the sith because it was behind their power. If it wasn't destroyed then the sith could just keep on building bigger and bigger fleets. The whole point of finding the star maps was to discover the LOCATION OF THE STAR FORGE. Yeah, definitely a minor footnote in the kotor plot. I think you need to play the game again and take off those rose-colored glasses Can we actually get back to discussing TFA and the new trilogy rather than "who's EU dick is bigger" discussion? EU is no longer canon, and it won't be. Get over it, if you're gonna complain, create a thread about it but for crying out loud this topic is about TFA

Except that it still served a similar role in the plot

I said it was added... and just because it had a superweapon doesn't mean it's a rehash of the ANH story line. They may have borrowed several elements, but not to the dramatic extent that you're claiming it did, and the movie managed it and felt fresh. Like I said, if you're so frustrated with this using a superweapon, explain to me why you're not frustrated with ROTJ doing the same thing, or Kotor revolving around a giant mguffin device than can be considered a superweapon, or the thousands of other things in EU which also revolved around superweapons? You still haven't answered me on this You say how it didn't ruin the movie for you and yet you're obsessing on this one "flaw"

But that doesn't mean Disney won't re-use or re-incarnate those ideas or stores in either a similar or new form.

Added that to my previous post, Also a lot of the frustration I see is people upset because the EU got deemed non canon, which IMO and in lots of people's opinion is not a bad thing

Except take into account that the last time this dish of potatoes was made in the movies was 30 years and 3 movies ago in the saga, if we're going to include games then say 10 years ago. I don't count most of the EU comics because I never read those and thus they never really had much hold over me. Oh believe me, there are people who say that having a superweapon ruins the movie entirely. Regardless, if we're counting all the times the superweapon has been used then it's strike 20 then, so it's just funny because people are complaining now

This is something the movie deliberately left unknown so that it may be answered in the next 2 movies, I suspect she's the other child of Han and Leia, but there's also evidence she could be Luke's

It's like ROTJ and Kotor are automatically immune to scrutiny because we loved them so much, but TFA is now subject to it because it "re-uses" a plot point that star wars has been re-hashing for years... How is TOR canon at all? Disney said anything outside of the movies and the clone wars TV show back in '13 (or was it '14?) was non-canon and they are establishing a new reality. This includes, thankfully, TOR. This makes absolutely no sense at all. You're giving Kotor a pass because it was the first in a trilogy, but so is TFA and yet you're harping over it as if it pissed all over your cereal. Moviewise, this isthe first star wars movie to use a superweapon plot point since Return of the Jedi, that's over 30 years. It actually is a similar predicament in TFA if you look at it objectively rather than just judging it because it "has a superweapon" From what I'm seeing, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but the moment you saw a superweapon, the majority of you who are complaining about it gut reacted.

I just saw this post so forgive me when I have to address it. Like I said, if you really need a whole bunch of material to understand what's going on in TFA, you're doing it wrong. There are a few things left to mystery that will be explained, as it should. First of all, I'm of the opinion that the Prequels are vastly overhated, so don't throw me into that category of blind nostalgia fanboys, second you're once again repeating the same thing you've said "TFA uses over-used plot point of super weapon" I refer you to my many counter-arguments I have made throughout this thread. Please read my original post in this thread as well, because I am not saying this movie is perfect, I'm saying it's better than people give it credit for. And star wars wasn't originally intended to be a trilogy, this one is, so expect there to be some questions that will be answered in its sequels. Deal with it. Lord of the Rings did the exact same thing and it was brilliant. This is the last time I'm going to address this whole "superweapon is bad mmkaaay?" mumbo jumbo, I'm moving on from here on out.

No they weren't.

I'm guessing you hated Clone Wars as well, If you hate Rebels then you my friend are a lost cause ( no offense )

Having to sort through all of EU is an immense task, especially when trying to make a movie that can create a new trilogy and stand apart. They will re-incorporate it bit by bit, have faith mate

Wrong, I can totally see Kylo Renn and Rey having a similar if not the same relationship as Jaina and Jacen did, abliet different since they don't know each other. Disney themselves said that the EU does have some great stuff they can draw on and re-create in their new canon. Who knows, we might even see Thrawn in the next movie ( I actually would have preferred him to General Hux, as cool as he was as the hitler nazi replica, Thrawn would definitely have been a winner for some of the EU fans out there )

I'm not even going to bother responding to the previous post you made Mutilator because that just seems to be a bunch of what you said earlier, only a bit more angry. What I want to say was already said a post earlier, but I'll give you credit for at least attempting to address my points. I'm tired of going in circles responding to the inane backlash about the supposed fault of the movie re-iterating some of what made the first successful, so I'd like to actually discuss what might happen for the following ones ( and EU wasn't that great to begin with, post ROTJ or Old republic. TOR was utter garbage and ruined the whole Kotor franchise. I'm glad that was retconned. And yes I did make the distinction )

You completely misread what I said, that's not what I said at all... RIP reading what other people say. I said CERTAIN SW fans, and I had specific points as to why I liked the movie in previous posts and why the plot works. You just kept saying over and over how it's because it was in Episode 4 and supposedly it "doesn't fit the plot" when you don't say how it doesn't fit the plot, nor the people using it. Let me know when you're willing to address each of my points and we'll talk, because for now it seems you're just making a blanket statement. So I'm done with this, next.

And that's what I thought this movie was and did, and it's why I liked it. I think a lot of people had some lofty expectations of what this movie was and should be, I didn't I came in blank, expecting to be entertained, have a good time and watch a good movie and I did. I wasn't negative or positive when I came in. People watch this movie I feel, and some just expect it to be something it's not, and when it's not what they expect it to be exactly then it's automatically bad. Not true of most, but there are people who are like that. My thoughts exactly, I didn't want to spend my time trying to defend this movie, rather I wanted to actually talk about where it's headed, but considering how much vitrol has been going on I felt oblidged. (Isn't there a thread for the opinions on it?) ALL HAIL DARTH PLAGUEIS

My issue is just people hating on something without backing it up when I call them out, that is all. I'd like to engage somebody in a good intellectual discussion, and I came into this thread attempting to defend the movie rather than call people out. Every fanbase has its share of problems, just look at how blind Walking Dead fans are. Rehash is not the same word as remake, a remake is more akin to Clone than a rehash. Excuse me, by EU I meant everything after Return of the Jedi EU, since that's what I assumed EU generally referred to. While I said borrows heavily, I meant in terms of how it was borrowed rather than how much as borrowed, but borrows nonetheless. I'll try to be more clear next time. Please don't jump to conclusions or gut-react. I didn't say ALL star wars fans. Luke skywalker had practically become a legend amongst most people in the galaxy despite the events of 30 years ago, but remember that the Empire, being a facist regime, most likely downplayed or even outright denied the claim of the emperor's death. Given the presence of the First Order, Jedi are generally best for resolving issues, who better than get the last of the Jedi? And the Superweapon, as I said, is there because the First Order is basically a bunch of people attempting to re-create the Galactic Empire, and the Galactic Empire was all about dominance through power So because the movie leaves you with questions it automatically makes it worse? It's what entices you to watch the following movies. The original movie was made standalone because there was no guarantee it was going to be a hit, and when it was they wanted to follow up on that success, that's what bred the originals as a successive arc. If anything leaving us wondering gives us something to think about, and I like to think in movies. Let's take a look at Interstellar. The backstory of the movie isn't entirely clear, but we know that the Earth is slowly becoming more toxic to humans, and that society has degraded due to a large famine, though we don't know to what point. The backstory for TFA is that the old governments are gone, what happened is becoming stories told to a new generation, and with the vacuum in power, someone is about to take over. That someone is the First Order, and I don't think the New Republic was nearly as strong as either the Empire or the Republic. No, what I'm saying is that because of the backlash, it caused a fear of such happening again. There's nothing stopping them from creating something new in the following movies, and this is only the start of a trilogy, so I don't get why we're automatically trashing it because it has some parts similar to what we've seen before, it's like trashing a TV show when you haven't even seen 3 episodes of it. It's common principle that films and writers copy off themselves, big or small. Return of the Jedi did it with the Death Star, Phantom Menace did it with the explosion of the Droid control ship. The big battle above Coruscant in Episode 3? Reminiscent of Episode 4. The quest to find the star forge and destroy it? Reminiscent of Episode 4. Discovering you're the evil sith lord behind Darth Malak? Reminiscent of Episode V. Like I said, this logic automatically makes lots of Star Wars automatically worse because it re-uses ideas from its predecessors. It's not poor writing when done right while feeling fresh and the movie, in my opinion and in lots of other people's opinion, did both.