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TBQH the concept for this would have worked better as a game... but since Disney gave EA the keys to SW gaming I'm actually fine with this being a film

How am I obnoxious when I'm simply asking you to address my points when you still haven't? I apologize if I come off as blunt and a bit sarcastic, but if you're going to get upset about that then the internet isn't for you. I actually want an intelligent discussion on this, but all I'm getting back is "OH ITS OVERUSED BLAH BLAH BLAH ITS NOW A BAD MOVIE/DOESNT COMPARE or IT DOESNT FIT WITH THE PLOT", so excuse me for sounding a bit frustrated when people seem to make a mountain over a molehill on one point that had similarity to Episode IV, I'm shocked you're not complaining about how Jakku was practically Tatooine.

Then I can understand your frustration, because for people to be criticizing TFA's usage of the superweapon is ridiculous when ROTJ did the same thing. In my opinion it works because, like I said, it's been a long time since we had Episode 4, and even episode 6, and those were the last star wars movies revolving around a superweapon. We live in the era of re-makes, and while it did rehash Episode 4 a bit, I think it brought enough new to the table to make it feel fresh

Still waiting for you to address my points on how it completely ruins the movie, let alone form a convincing argument. Use dem quotes son It was both old and new, and I already explained why it's not completely ridiculous in this movie and how you're logic makes it completely ridiculous for any Star Wars movie. You're proving me right more and more about star wars fans in general, just sayin. I loved the movie, the critics loved the movie, a lot of people loved the movie, so you're pretty much in the minority in this one

Can you please use quotes like I do so I know what point you're addressing? It's awful confusing, also wondering if you might address what else I said because I still have been waiting on that from anyone. I'll assume you're referring to my calling out SW fans, of course you don't believe it because we're on a Star Wars forum and I'm guessing a lot of you are more hardcore fans than I am, don't take it personally mate but the fact is when people are called out for something they tend to deny it, it's human nature. Way I see it, the lot of you are looking through rose-colored glasses at this. Not saying all Star Wars fans are like that, but there are quite a few who mouth off about any little thing. If the superweapon plot is so boring and bland, then by that logic ANH and ROTJ suck because superweapons weren't exactly an original concept even back then. Still don't get why re-used plot points ruins the movie so badly for some of you, especially since it's been nearly 40 years since ANH came out. If anything, that movie deserved somewhat of a remake and this was both that and something new at the same time.

What they did was create spiritual rehash of Episode IV by bringing back certain ideas of what made the first great. Films copy off their predecessors all the damn time, and LMAO EU was a pile of trash other than the jedi knight series and Thrawn as you said. Emperor Reborn was about as intelligent as dumb and dumber. The movie was intended to be for the next generation of movie-goers while giving the oldies some nostalgia.. .Yes it borrows heavily, but I don't get why that's such a bad thing when it works fine. And no, it's not effectively a clone, there are quite some differences between this and Episode IV mate. I am a Star Wars fan, but sometimes I'm ashamed to be one because of how autistic certain fans can act, especially when they blindly hate the prequels when they weren't nearly as bad as what people say they are (though they aren't good). I don't get where you're getting this idea of finding Luke is a weak plot and got overshadowed. It was still one of the main points of the movie, but destroying a weapon that can suck up stars takes precedence. It wasn't necessarily a huge arc on its own more or less a plot point This was an issue I believe could have been easily resolved in the opening text crawl, but if you need a movie to explain everything to you on a silver platter with no explanation at all then go watch the originals again. These movies are intended to be trilogy rather than stand-alone-ish like the originals were. Yes, let's put Rey on some generic prison ship/station/planet 101 that's completely forgettable and serves no purpose but to just hold Rey prisoner, how dare it have more than one use! How dare it be a superweapon for a regime that models itself off the Galactic Empire, a regime that ruled through fear of destruction! It's there because it's the First Order's tool for victory over the Republic, and it's also there because like it or not, this movie isn't geared just those who saw the originals and loved it but for, like I said and Disney said, the next generation. If you want to blame somebody for how the movie "played it safe", then blame yourselves because the Star Wars fans were what cause George Lucas to change the plot of the prequels (even though they weren't good anyway), and fear of fan backlash is what drove them to make the movie somewhat safe. I don't get why you all are so angry at them re-using the superweapon again, because by that logic then ROTJ is automatically worse for it using a second Death Star. I was happy they modeled it somewhat off A New Hope because it's the start of something good for star wars.

Considering how Star Wars fans can get extremely critical of anything it was pretty clear they'd play this one safe since it was their first entry into the saga The movie wasn't necessarily about the superweapon either, it was about locating luke. Starkiller merely was the place where Rey was being held, and it wasn't discovered until half-way through the movie Perhaps the Republic became complacent and the Resistance was a disgruntled faction within that wanted to take action? Who knows, the answers will probably be revealed in 8, or most likely in 9

The movie actually turned to saving Rey, rather... And the New Republic was formed from what was the Rebellion in the first movie. I don't think that they were entirely destroyed but who knows. Starkiller base was slowly built up to it, just because it wasn't the central point doesn't mean it wasn't important to the plot

So the fact that it has a superweapon at all automatically hurts its credibility? The superweapon wasn't even the central point of the plot. Everything you're saying seems to be copy and pasted from what the trolls on IMDB boards are saying... "EP 7 used superweapon, EP7 isn't original, should be different" Please tell me how you would have done Episode 7 then, enlighten me. If something is successful, you can guarantee it might be re-used in the future. It worked for Episode 4, it worked for this movie. One of the reasons for making this movie was to create Star Wars for a new generation, and thus I figured they're re-create some of what made the very first movie awesome in order to bring it to some of the younger fans like myself who never got to experience the original in theatres. Did it borrow a bit from the originals? Certainly. Did it feel fresh? Absolutely. It's all about the execution, and here it was done great

If you think most people agree with you on TFA then you need to check A. the Rotton Tomatoes score and B. the IMDB score, both of which are extremely high for Star Wars (IMDB score is dropping a bit due to the excess in trolls though). All you've cited so far is subjective evidence that isn't even solid, as for your criticisms of TFA, you're complaining about it not being original... which I again go back to one of my points. If you didn't like how it wasn't original, then why are you watching Star Wars? And if you didn't like how it had a superweapon, why did you like ANH and, even more importantly, Return of the Jedi, both of which centered around superweapons. If anything, the Starkiller is not the central plot point of TFA. Finding Luke skywalker is. You have yet to answer me on any of these points what so ever, if you can't back up your claims then why do you keep making them over and over?

To be fair, it's not an action intro like Episode IV is, you could say the intro is more akin to Return of the Jedi's style intro

From what we're seeing, you're being critical for the sake of being critical as you were with TFA. If you could actually cite some concrete examples of why you think ANH is an inferior movie to the others then maybe we'd take this more seriously, because all of what you're citing is opinionated.

I see what you did there... stealing my mojo. You seem to flip flop between opinions faster than Kim Kardashian changes clothes. You originally said Episode 4 was good by lopping it in the same category as 3 which you said you liked a lot, and now you're saying it's not? Make up your mind about the movies for crying out loud and create a solid argument for your point... this just seems like pointless rambling by someone who's trying to sound like a non-conformist (no offense). And Leonard once again pretty much said what needed to be said there, not much else I can say on my end

So you're saying they're similar characters just because they share the name? I haven't read EU heavily, but from what I know Jacen is more akin to Kylo Renn than Ben Skywalker is... do your homework. And once again, you're letting a lack of originality ruin your experience, so why didn't it ruin your experience with ROTJ when that was focused around a superweapon? Such contradictions EDIT: If anything, using the elements of the EU is great because there were some good parts of it, and Disney said that they would re-incarnate the good parts of EU

This post also summizes my thoughts, but I can tell you that there are people who hate any Star Wars that isn't like the originals

Episode II was a result of Lucas changing the plot because so many people complained about Jar Jar and what happened in episode I, IMO Episode I's CGI usage as just fine, it was Episode II had it bad because they had to change a lot... but that's a discussion for another topic As for the fanboys, it is actually true in some sorts because a majority of the vocal haters on this movie tend to be those who liked only the original movies, Star Wars rebels showed it could, though it was tight. This is 30 years later in terms of tech and likely has some differences over what we saw in the original

This is true, that's what made the prequels fail in the eyes of some fans, and that's what sadly made Disney afraid to screw up TFA and thus played it safe, because of said backlash by fans, but it's happening because now it's what they wanted with the prequels... TBH OT fanboys are the cancer that nearly killed this franchise That's just retarded... If I needed some magical powers to wield some sword then medieval warfare would have been a myth. If anything, I'm glad that concept has been retconned. The only thing that separates Lightsabers from swords is that they are made of lasers. That's it. And before you make this point, the general populace doesn't use them because they probably prefer blasters to what they think is an antiquated weapon OH, and I need a source on where they said that, never heard that one before Didn't I say she had training? The age she was left on Jakku, she probably was trained from being a toddler, not exactly hard. Oh, and in the Clone Wars we saw toddlers able to move stuff with the force without ANY training what so ever, and THATS canon. Agreed, but for me it worked... The plot involved rertrieving Rey from the first order, might as well have that base where they are keeping her be more significant than some random prison outpost Don't get why you'd need them when the fighters themselves are bombers, just split them up for different uses Episode II was pathetic, the plot didn't get moving until the last 30 minutes. Episode III I liked, but had some bad parts... Episode I is not a great movie, but vastly overhated

*cough* Darth Plageuis/Jar Jar *cough* They'll explain it in the next movie, though if it turns out to be some random sith guy I will in fact be disappointed Does the same rule apply to katanas? If someone isn't a samurai they can't wield a Katana what so ever? Finn didn't know what he was doing and he had no choice. His first time he didn't have a blaster and ended up getting his ass kicked by a trooper with what looked like an electric pole (as expected). The second time he had no choice because Rey was out cold and he had to hold Kylo Renn off otherwise he'd just take her again, and Finn fittingly got his ass kicked again. So it's not like he's super skilled with it, in fact it shows he's out of his league, but using a lightsaber is actually as easy as flicking a goddamn button... because that's all it takes to turn it on. This I agree was questionable, but again I attribute this to that there's more to Rey than meets the eye... Methinks she was one of Luke's students at an early age but when Renn attacked she was put somewhere "safe" and she repressed the memory... who knows. Except the droid wasn't relaying info of the superweapon, rather info of Skywalker... and it was incomplete. Finn had the info on the superweapon, and the focus on the Starkiller base wasn't until the 3rd act of the movie. I agree on this that after this movie there should be no more superweapons for a long time... But people accepted what EU threw out and it was galvanized with so many superweapons I couldn't tell which was which. For this instance, it worked for me because it is a reboot of the franchise Occasionally, but when has Star Wars ever had perfect acting? Lmao, well to be fair these are different stormtroopers.... maybe they just got better training But it did work for ANH, and the superweapon mcguffin worked for Episode 6, if we get annoyed at over used plots then Star Wars probably would end up in the dumpster fire of bad movies... But I agree, no more superweapons after this But X-wings are armed with proton torpedoes, as seen in Episode 4, so they can function as fighter/bombers. Y-wings are a lot less versatile. Actually it's the OT fanboys who are complaining most about this crap, they complain about anything. It's why I can't stand most of them who A. cry about the Prequels and B. Cry about the edits to the originals

Oh please, if you need to read books to understand the plot of episode 7, then you're doing it wrong. I knew absolutely nothing coming in other than what was given from the trailers and I had a fine understanding of the plot, and I emotionally was really satisfied with what I saw on screen in terms of Finn nearly croaking and Han getting stabbed by his son (while I knew that would happen). Yes, I'd say episode 6 was great emotionally in its finale, however the sense of realism was horribly maligned in terms of contrived plot design, the worst death for a great side character ever, a pathetic ending that is unrealistic for the executor, and, again, the whole damn ewok sequence. If you say episode 6 is better than Episode 4 then you my friend are a lost cause. Most people in fact say Episode 6 is the weakest film of the trilogy mate, and most people agree with me that TFA is a damn good film. While Episode 5 is still the best movie in the franchise ( and quite possibly one of the best movies in history ), I'd say Episode 7 makes its case for a solid second best movie in Star Wars... and that's high praise. Episode 6 is tied with Episode 3 for 4th/5th best, but they are still good movies I still don't get this whole "omg it's like episode 4 it's bad" and somebody needs to explain that one to me, because by that logic then lots of what many people consider good star wars is bad (kotor, for example)

Episode 6 is in the same category as episode 3... good movies marred by awful scenes or sequences. With Episode 6 it's the ewoks, and Episode 3 is the occassionally awful dialogue writing. Episode 7 is far superior to both in terms of me caring and me enjoying the movie. Just because it isn't original makes it bad. Look at Kotor, the whole thing revolved around finding a way to destroy the giant mcguffin device known as the Star Forge, serving as a similar maguffin to the death star. It borrowed heavily in terms of plot elements from the originals... Does that make it bad? If anything it having similarities to episode 4 is an homage to what made Star Wars great and since it's been 40 years since the first movie was released, it's quite forgivable. I'm sorry, but these complaints of "oh it's not original so I can't like it" are nearly as annoying as the whole "Jar Jar is the worst thing ever made and the prequels suck entirely" saga EDIT: Lemme point out that Episode 6 also had a superweapon, the Death Star II, as the mcguffin.

So if it's not original in its plot it's automatically annoying? Ok, so you must not like any MCU movies. And if you prefer Episode 6 to this movie then that's all I need to hear lmao And by the way, I consider myself critical of movies as well

Admittedly the movie follows a similar structure to Episode IV, however it is in no way a bad movie and in fact I like it so much that it's my second favorite star wars movie made at 9.2/10 (behind ESB @ 9.5/10). Re-hashing what made Episode IV great was brilliant because it allows people who didn't get to experience that movie in the theatres (like me) to do so while also bringing a lot of new ideas, characters, and stories to the table. In that effect, it works beautifully. Rey is fantastic, Finn is quite hilarious, BB-8 is genius, and Renn is excellent and arguablly well acted (though the whole temper tantrum scene was strange). Despite the fact that I could predict the whole plot of the movie before I saw it, I still love it. That doesn't make it bad, as long as it does it right... and it did. The MCU-like comedy also worked for Star Wars, and I love that it was implemented. And yes, it did feel like Star Wars. There's a group of people who decided to start bitching about this movie so much that it makes me sick, it's the same baseless argument behind those who blindly hate the prequels. Since when has Star Wars ever been 100% original? I think a lot of Star Wars fans don't know what they want and when anything isn't exactly what they want they start complaining and it's what ruined the prequels. I sincerely hope it doesn't with this trilogy. There's also those who are running their mouths about the movie saying how it's bad simply to sound like they're not a part of the pack. Being a hipster doesn't make you cool, it just either makes you look simply different or you can look like a total moron. I also believe that the following movies will move away from being shadows of their predecessors and innovate new plots to Star Wars. Can't wait till Episode 8 is going to come out, and I am surely going to watch this movie several more times in theatres. (I'd also like to point out that I still believe the Darth Jar Jar theory applies, and that Snoke is merely the latest bodily posession of Plageuis/Jar Jar.... BTW, during my screening, I had someone to the right of me blatantly talking half the movie and filming it with his flash on while talking on his phone. I was about to kick his ass when someone already got the manager and booted his pathetic ass out of the theatre. People who ruin movies like that should go drown themselves, I have no tolerance for that crap.)

THEY ALL DIE LUKE DIES KYLO DIES REY DIES FINN DIES THE FORCE DIES EVERYBODY DIES..... Honestly, I don't know what to think, I'm going to have to see it again before I make my final judgement

you mean a gears of war clone with RPG elements, yes? Because that's now their specialty thanks to EA

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ Seriously, as long as EA develops any Star Wars games, I can guarantee they will disappoint. I do not want EA to tarnish the sheer potential awesomeness of this game, please. I hope Disney instead gets someone else to develop 1313 other than EA's puppets (Visceral, Bioware, and Dice), just keep it away from EA's greedy DLC loving hands shouldn't this be in "other games?"