Juhani - Canon-like Cathar 2.2.1

I understand, that it took you long to actually make this. But, I just don't see the resemblance between the comic image you present and the textured model in-game. If it's the screenshot that doesn't do it justice, then I suggest you make other screenshots. Because, it doesn't feel all that right, what with the comic book adaptation having MUCH paler skin, white hair, and much better defined nose and lip markings it's hard to tell that she isn't just another human, honestly.

On 12/12/2018 at 6:18 PM, Sithy_Kayse said:

I understand, that it took you long to actually make this. But, I just don't see the resemblance between the comic image you present and the textured model in-game. If it's the screenshot that doesn't do it justice, then I suggest you make other screenshots. Because, it doesn't feel all that right, what with the comic book adaptation having MUCH paler skin, white hair, and much better defined nose and lip markings it's hard to tell that she isn't just another human, honestly.

Well, humans don't have a cat's flattened nose ridge and nose, sharp teeth,  human-cat eyes, striped fur covering their bodies, and pointy, cat ears -- but if that's how you see it, fine with me.

I used the comic reference image as a visual design guideline, not a direct reference. The Cathar character depicted there is Sylvar, not Juhani. I have also consulted Wookiepedia on the history and genetics (depictions) of the Cathar species in the EU/Legends comics/stories. I have taken some liberty with her hair colour (dark brown as opposed to yellow-brown), and had KOTOR's design limitations to deal with when it comes to the angle of her ears (because of the game's headwear items), and the absence of a tail (although Cathars don't have tails in all depictions).

If I may give constructive criticisism in return, I recommend you actually try out a skin/model in-game before you criticise it.

In any case, this is a lot closer to the original reference material than the Juhani model/skin that ships with KOTOR, and I'm personally (very much) fond of it.

Take it or leave it, or even build upon it, your choice. You're welcome.

I like it allot, Great Job!! This will always stay in my list of KOTOR Mods. Thanks!

On 2/23/2019 at 4:14 PM, Cerez said:

Well, humans don't have a cat's flattened nose ridge and nose, sharp teeth,  human-cat eyes, striped fur covering their bodies, and pointy, cat ears -- but if that's how you see it, fine with me.

I used the comic reference image as a visual design guideline, not a direct reference. The Cathar character depicted there is Sylvar, not Juhani. I have also consulted Wookiepedia on the history and genetics (depictions) of the Cathar species in the EU/Legends comics/stories. I have taken some liberty with her hair colour (dark brown as opposed to yellow-brown), and had KOTOR's design limitations to deal with when it comes to the angle of her ears (because of the game's headwear items), and the absence of a tail (although Cathars don't have tails in all depictions).

If I may give constructive criticisism in return, I recommend you actually try out a skin/model in-game before you criticise it.

In any case, this is a lot closer to the original reference material than the Juhani model/skin that ships with KOTOR, and I'm personally (very much) fond of it.

Take it or leave it, or even build upon it, your choice. You're welcome.

1. Your screenshot is the human player character with Cathar lips, eyes (not even as obviously as those on the vanilla Juhani), and schnoz, so A, there's no "striped fur covering [her body], and pointy, cat ears" in sight and B. it's therefore a rubbish advertisement for a supposed "improved Juhani". The whole point of providing screenshots is to let people see what a mod does before they go to the trouble of installing it (and then having to uninstall if they don't like it).

2. About that whole "fur covering their bodies" thing... that's kinda the biggest problem with Juhani's vanilla appearance. Cathar are supposed to be covered in fur, but Juhani's vanilla appearance looks like bare skin with slightly-fuzzy stripes. It's so blatantly bad that Hasbro actually attempted a pathetic "no-prize" answer of claiming there was a "Juhani subspecies" instead of admitting that Bioware royally screwed up. Her vanilla appearance already has the nose, the teeth, the eyes, and the ears. The one thing it really needs added is the fur. Does your mod deliver on that?

interesting... I'm not sure about the hair and skin color decision if it's tagged as lore friendly tbh