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[KotOR] Should Bastila be attacked on sight by Taris Sith patrols?

[KotOR] Bastila on Taris  

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  1. 1. Should Bastila be attacked on sight by Sith patrols on Taris?

    • Yes, it would make sense because the Sith should be actively seeking her out.
    • No, because... [insert reason here]


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7 hours ago, Hunters Run said:

Why am I tempted to vote no on this one?

Well, it'd be perfectly legit.

My own reason for it would be that Lord Malak wanted Bastila captured rather than killed. 

On the other hand opening fire on her would be the closest thing to it and role playing wise it'd make sense to me.

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You attack the Sith throughout the game with Bastila in your party, and none of them says "Lord Malak wants her captured alive!" Malak surely wouldn't prioritize a soldier or officer over Bastila, it's obviously game mechanics.

So, the limited game mechanic means Sith should attack Bastila on sight.

OTOH, the Sith officers and soldiers are often stupid...

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I think this could work if done well. I've always thought it was funny that she could just run around Taris in her signature clothes, waving her lightsaber in everyone's face. And even the official cover art shows her fighting a Dark Jedi in the Upper City, as others have pointed out before.

But it could definitely feel clunky and annoying if implemented poorly. I like the idea behind Operation Kill Bastila, but it seems odd just to give her a hood lol. Maybe another set of clothes/armor could be added to the inventory after the Brejik encounter? Maybe some variant of the commoner clothing?

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Thanks for your opinions, AmanoJyaku and KnifeMaster.

I didn't install Operation Kill Bastila because at the moment I am busy with other work so I have no idea how good the hood/cloak disguise is and how smoothly this has been introduced in the game but the idea itself has merit, in my opinion.

Probably what I would go for is to simply provide a mask for Bastila to wear (I don't believe a cloak is necessary) without which she is attacked on sight by the Sith patrols. I am a little uncertain about whether wielding the lightsaber should trigger the attack with or without mask though. 

The weapon would be visible but on the other hand is not that conspicuous unless it's on.

I'm trying to think what kind of headgear the part can find/buy on Taris but it seems to me there are no such items that completely cover the face there.

Cheers!

 

 

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From an RP standpoint: Yes, since there is no expression for enemies to attempt to capture you in the game, killing on sight is a reasonable action. Moreover, it's clear while Malak preferred to take her alive, he wasn't that concerned about it given he ordered the entire planet destroyed just to remove her as a factor once it became obvious he wouldn't find her.

An easy solution would have been to just have a quest in the game that allowed you to find a disguise for her, but I guess Bioware never thought of it. It's amusing though that for some reason they made a huge deal of her being recognized on Korriban, but not on Taris, despite all of the Sith actively looking for her there. Lol.

As an aside though, it doesn't make sense for any of your Force Sensitive party members to be allowed on Korriban, since Uthar or Yuthura would pick up on their sensitivity immediately and the jig would be up.

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Speaking of Korriban, I have been thinking that my strongest objection to the Operation Kill Bastila approach may as well be that the disguise provided would allow for a relatively "safe" visit of Bastila on Korriban which is something the original game (in my own mod, I allow the Player to choose to either have or not Bastila on Korriban) won't permit.

This would be an internal inconsistency which is not really acceptable, unless the Taris disguise is lost when the party leaves Taris but then again how smooth can something like that be?

I guess in the end the best thing is to keep things as they are.

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This thread just created feature creep for the mod:

 

  • Optional checkpoints version. You get stopped at  checkpoints after you recruit Bastila.  If you tick him off or otherwise every sith guard in the area becomes hostile.  
  • Make the mask and cowl a headgear if possible. Right now it is an outfit. 
  • Destroy the disguise after escaping Taris.  It already does this, but it adds it back to the players inventory afterwords(long story).
  • Re-brand  due to above optional to Operation: Bastila.

Eta- when it's done. 

Thoughts?

 

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Well, the second point was what I was thinking of too and I said it in my post.

The first point seems to me over the top and not really necessary. There are already Sith Patrols and checkpoints (elevators) on Taris. There is no real need to add more.

The third point instead is a key point. The disguise must be made useless/unavailable and for some reason irreplaceable (the latter is going to be tough... what kind of non artificial reason can there be to the impossibility of finding any kind of mask that covers the face, if that is enough to make Bastila unrecognizable on Korriban too?)

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A mask of some kind could work, but I don't know how many Sith would be fooled by something like:

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If you decide to integrate the Dark Jedi attack seen on the cover art, I guess you could have a small group attack the party if Bastila isn't in disguise, but that's just an idea. Maybe it would be better to stick with attacks from troopers. However the disguise is handled, though, it should definitely be destroyed after arriving on Dantooine.

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On one side, sith troopers will probably have a better chance of defeating and capturing Bastila if they attack her on sight.
On the other side, a single patrol won’t have much chances against a skilled Jedi Knight and her escort anyway. So, it’ll make sense for Sith Superiors to give orders to patrols such as:

a) report about finding Bastila
b) Attempt to persuade her to surrender. For example, to say something like “The planet is occupied. You cannot hide. We will execute civilians in the area if you escape; etc”.
Then if the patrol is wiped, Sith Superiors can dispatch dark Jedi to the location where Bastila was spotted.


From a technical point of view, there are many enemies in the game who first start a conversation when they have clear order to kill player (dark Jedi trio on Tatooine/Kashyyyk, Calo Nord, Darth Bandon, Malak’s apprentices on Star Forge). Therefore, it wouldn’t be out of place if at least one/first patrol that recognize Bastila will start conversation before the attack. Then the player can have a chance to trick patrol in style of ep. 4. Well, this may be beyond your plans, but it may be an interesting idea for the future.

 

On 10/10/2020 at 11:58 AM, Salk said:

what kind of non artificial reason can there be to the impossibility of finding any kind of mask that covers the face, if that is enough to make Bastila unrecognizable on Korriban too?

Why not just assume that there are Sith Masters on Korriban who can recognize (feel, see, smell, idk how it works) Bastila’s unique signature through the Force no matter what clothes she wears? And on Taris the patrols consist of simple soldiers.

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