Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Official Trailer

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Luke: "I used to bullseye womprats with my T-16 back home"

 

He was referring to flying the Death Star raid which required one to fly an X-Wing. This was in the movie, and the we only didn't get to see the ship itself.

 

Did Rey ever say, "I'm the best mechanic in the quadrant" or "I fly freighters for fun" Not that I can recall. She just knew how the Falcon ran because she *had* to fly it later in the movie.

 

 

That's just a sign of the writer not knowing how to give a character a unique role, so instead they just give them a capability with everything yet only the weakness that they don't yet know all of these things they are already capable of, a-la "chosen one" syndrome. This could be tempered if her personality was that of a whiny little pissant, which is what kept Luke grounded as a 3-dimensional character , but instead that "comedic" role was given to Poe for some reason.

 

It's that blatant hero worship that made me hate her role in the movie, since it became painfully predictable (Hero finds out they're special; Hero meets a mentor, Mentor teaches Hero; Hero more or less defeats bad guy singlehandedly) I didn't get that with the Original movie because Luke may have had that potential, but he was hardly the focal point. He experienced these struggles to save the Princess, but Han did most of the sneaking, fighting, and work.

 

The word "Canon" can only go so far. For a movie, it needs to hold up on its own merits. I hated Episode 7 because it was so contrived and clearly was filling in check marks from its focus groups. The heart and soul of the original Star Wars was the world around the characters, like the original Cantina scene or the Tusken Raiders and Jawas; the Death Star was massive, and Leia was very clearly going to die if they didn't find a way to fly into its labyrinthine fortification to somehow find her.

 

However, each of these set-pieces were only part of the overarching narrative. Luke could just have magically found the Rebels and told them how to defeat the Empire before finally fighting Darth Vader and still completed his hero's journey, but then it wouldn't have been as comprehensive of an experience.

 

So, if this new movie is simply filling the quota of a strong female lead who happens to know everything and is also going to save the Rebels so that A New Hope happens, then I will be just as disappointed (well, except I had pretty low expectations after seeing the trailer for TFA, so I guess just frustrated at what Disney is doing?)

 

Now to hopefully put a nail in this debate about the Death Star run, Luke and wedge were in the flight, but were covered by the rest of their wing. Luke was part of the group that used them as a distraction to get into the Death Star trench. If he had fought or killed any Ties, then you might have a point, but all he had to do was fly in the trench and avoid the walls and possibly the turbolasers if he wandered too far to the side. This required no dogfight training, and could easily be put into a flight simulator for preparations prior to the launch.

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Well, there was an alleged script leak (don't know if it was already debunked or confirmed, so far I've only seen people calling it false only because they don't like it, without any valid reason), probably you heard of it, but it does explain actually everything we saw in the movie. So, it's a potential spoiler below.

 

Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father".

Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).

 

That... is incredibly stupid.

 

If that is indeed the case, I might watch the last two movies just to see what happens. But after that I would quit the sequel trilogy.

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Thats a fake script, sounds way too fan made and doesn't follow how scripts are written... Besides, they have 5 movies to tell the story so...

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Thats a fake script, sounds way too fan made and doesn't follow how scripts are written... Besides, they have 5 movies to tell the story so...

 

Five?

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Five?

Yep. They are doing ep 7-9 than 10-12 which is set right of the back of 7-9 so im assuming 10-12 will involve something to do with the first order and republic and will probably comtinue the current story.

 

I wouldnt be surprised if Thrawn comes into play TBH as outside of Snoke (whos crippled), there does not appear to be anyone of significant threat to the resistance and we all know if Thrawn is introduced, he will be a significant threat and youd probably get even more of the old eu fans on side and lets face it, Thrawn is amazing (as long as he is not dumbed down)

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Yep. They are doing ep 7-9 than 10-12 which is set right of the back of 7-9 so im assuming 10-12 will involve something to do with the first order and republic

Well, when Star Wars fatigue sets in, at least we still have our KOTORs

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Well, when Star Wars fatigue sets in, at least we still have our KOTORs

Im pretty confident that thrawn will be introduced somewhere in the trilogys... lets face it, he aint gonna die in rebels as long as he is as superior as he was in the eu. Hed probably dedtroy the rebels if anything as there was only 3 confirmed seasons and if he could defeat a republic with nothing. Imagine what he could do woth the full might of the empire

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Yep. They are doing ep 7-9 than 10-12 which is set right of the back of 7-9 so im assuming 10-12 will involve something to do with the first order and republic and will probably comtinue the current story.

 

Proof, please? I was searching for confirmation of this, but couldn't find any...

 

The places I found that mentioned five movies listed those as Episodes VII-IX, Rogue One, and a Han Solo movie.

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Im pretty confident that thrawn will be introduced somewhere in the trilogys... lets face it, he aint gonna die in rebels as long as he is as superior as he was in the eu. Hed probably dedtroy the rebels if anything as there was only 3 confirmed seasons and if he could defeat a republic with nothing. Imagine what he could do woth the full might of the empire

 

I wish... I'm rather confident that he will either be at least mentioned in Rogue 1 or some event from that movie will at least be explained in Rebels as Thrawn's doing, but I wouldn't bet my credits on him appearing in the main trilogy, because these movies are not made for fans (meaning people who at least heard something about EU), but for as wide audience as possible, and most people watching SW unfortunately never even heard of T. Zahn or his books, and the series are not that popular either (though my view may be skewed by my environment). And that means Thrawn's appearance in the movies would, to most people, be just as "random" as Snoke in TFA, who appears out of nowhere on the galactic stage. I'm afraid there wouldn't be many gasps in the cinema of people thinking that the main characters are already as good as dead when seeing Thrawn on the screen. These movies are only supposed to play on people's emotions with references to the OT introduced with the subtlety of a brick in the face and simple, generic fable plot.

it does not mean, however, that I don't believe in that at all, but it seems more like to me that Thrawn will apear in Rebels because if somebody watches that series, then he is more likely to know something beyond the movies. But I admit that Saw Gerrera gives hope.

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Luke: "I used to bullseye womprats with my T-16 back home"

He was referring to flying the Death Star raid which required one to fly an X-Wing. This was in the movie, and the we only didn't get to see the ship itself.

 

He was referring to hitting a 2 meter target, albeit with beam weapons as opposed to a self-propelled projectile like a proton torpedo. He was merely commenting on the feasibility of hitting a target that size.

 

Luke: "It's not impossible. I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-sixteen back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."

 

 

Did Rey ever say, "I'm the best mechanic in the quadrant" or "I fly freighters for fun" Not that I can recall. She just knew how the Falcon ran because she *had* to fly it later in the movie.

 

As a matter of fact, she does! She says it in the movie:

 

Finn: "We need a pilot!"

 

Rey: "We've got one!"

 

That's no, "I'm the best mechanic in the quadrant," (I've already proved she's a skilled mechanic, there's no use arguing that point), or "I fly freighters for fun," (honestly, who would fly freighters for fun?). And I can apply the exact same logic to Luke's flying of the X-Wing: He just knew how to fly because he had to fly later in the movie. You won't apply the same scrutiny to Luke that you do to Rey, setting a double standard here.

 

The word "Canon" can only go so far.

 

Convenient to ignore what's canon in order to try to push your argument. All I'm saying is that Rey had the competence and skill to pilot the Millennium Falcon and get it into orbit. That's it. You won't listen to evidence that clearly shows why she has the piloting and mechanical skills, and you criticize her use of said skills in the movie as "capability of anything".

 

Now to hopefully put a nail in this debate about the Death Star run, Luke and wedge were in the flight, but were covered by the rest of their wing. Luke was part of the group that used them as a distraction to get into the Death Star trench. If he had fought or killed any Ties, then you might have a point, but all he had to do was fly in the trench and avoid the walls and possibly the turbolasers if he wandered too far to the side. This required no dogfight training, and could easily be put into a flight simulator for preparations prior to the launch.

 

Again, you've got it all wrong. Luke and Wedge went into the trench as a last resort, not a first resort. That's why you have the Y-Wing bombers in the attack with the X-Wing fighters covering them. The goal wasn't to send Luke up for a trench run. The goal was for Rogue Squadron to cover Gold Squadron while they bombed the exhaust port. Wedge and Luke did fight TiEs, so I do have a point. He would have needed dogfighting and squadron skills. He couldn't have been put into a flight simulator for prep. The Millennium Falcon arrived at the Rebel base only a short time (likely hours) before the Death Star run. During this time, apparently all that Luke did was attend mission briefings, get fitted for a flight suit, and depart. Either way, a couple hours in the sim ain't going to cut it.

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I wish... I'm rather confident that he will either be at least mentioned in Rogue 1 or some event from that movie will at least be explained in Rebels as Thrawn's doing, but I wouldn't bet my credits on him appearing in the main trilogy, because these movies are not made for fans (meaning people who at least heard something about EU), but for as wide audience as possible, and most people watching SW unfortunately never even heard of T. Zahn or his books, and the series are not that popular either (though my view may be skewed by my environment). And that means Thrawn's appearance in the movies would, to most people, be just as "random" as Snoke in TFA, who appears out of nowhere on the galactic stage. I'm afraid there wouldn't be many gasps in the cinema of people thinking that the main characters are already as good as dead when seeing Thrawn on the screen. These movies are only supposed to play on people's emotions with references to the OT introduced with the subtlety of a brick in the face and simple, generic fable plot.

it does not mean, however, that I don't believe in that at all, but it seems more like to me that Thrawn will apear in Rebels because if somebody watches that series, then he is more likely to know something beyond the movies. But I admit that Saw Gerrera gives hope.

IDT he will be in rogue one simply because they wouldnt get the death star plans if he were the admiral in charge. I could see him being in the new trilogy because he would be game changer for the First order and Snoke would know that. 

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He was referring to hitting a 2 meter target, albeit with beam weapons as opposed to a self-propelled projectile like a proton torpedo. He was merely commenting on the feasibility of hitting a target that size.

 

Luke: "It's not impossible. I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-sixteen back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."

 

As a matter of fact, she does! She says it in the movie:

 

Finn: "We need a pilot!"

 

Rey: "We've got one!"

 

That's no, "I'm the best mechanic in the quadrant," (I've already proved she's a skilled mechanic, there's no use arguing that point), or "I fly freighters for fun," (honestly, who would fly freighters for fun?). And I can apply the exact same logic to Luke's flying of the X-Wing: He just knew how to fly because he had to fly later in the movie. You won't apply the same scrutiny to Luke that you do to Rey, setting a double standard here.

 

 No. you're entirely missing my point.

 

I said that Luke said HE FLEW HIS T-16 BACK HOME which proves he flew a ship of some sort that required that kind of pinpoint accuracy at high rates of speed. I am extrapolating from the scene that since he was discussing flying a ship to hit a target that small that he in fact had flown a ship at similar speeds and that he had good enough accuracy to do the trench run.

 

I am not using my own assumptions based on bare-bones dialogue. I am using specific parts of dialogue from that movie.

 

Rey said she was a pilot but of what exactly? She never specifies. She clearly flies a speeder in the first part of the movie, so is she referring to that? Is she just overconfident and bluffing to look more impressive? We never hear anything more of it. 

 

 

 

That's no, "I'm the best mechanic in the quadrant," (I've already proved she's a skilled mechanic, there's no use arguing that point), or "I fly freighters for fun," (honestly, who would fly freighters for fun?). And I can apply the exact same logic to Luke's flying of the X-Wing: He just knew how to fly because he had to fly later in the movie. You won't apply the same scrutiny to Luke that you do to Rey, setting a double standard here.

 

 I am using the EXACT same scrutiny between Luke and Rey. I am actual quotes from the films to prove that these characters could very clearly do these set-piece moments IN THE STATE THEY ARE INTRODUCED. 

 

 

 

Convenient to ignore what's canon in order to try to push your argument. All I'm saying is that Rey had the competence and skill to pilot the Millennium Falcon and get it into orbit. That's it. You won't listen to evidence that clearly shows why she has the piloting and mechanical skills, and you criticize her use of said skills in the movie as "capability of anything".

 

I am ignoring canon in its entirety for the sake of an objective argument. All I've used in my examples are scenes from the movies themselves to support what I said afterward. "a movie needs to hold up on its own merits". If we ignore that "evidence" scripted up at the last minute (And of which I proved logically ridiculous after going back and analyzing it in my subsequent post) which is never mentioned beyond that one quote you could very well be taking out of context. 

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 I said that Luke said HE FLEW HIS T-16 BACK HOME which proves he flew a ship of some sort that required that kind of pinpoint accuracy at high rates of speed. I am extrapolating from the scene that since he was discussing flying a ship to hit a target that small that he in fact had flown a ship at similar speeds and that he had good enough accuracy to do the trench run.

 

Luke never said he, "Flew his T-16 back home."

 

Luke said: "I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-sixteen back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."

 

You aren't using actual quotes, you're writing down what you remember as a "quote". Any evidence of a T-16 is beyond the movie itself. The audience has to assume that this T-16 is a ship. You can't have the movie stop and show schematics of a T-16, its purpose, classifications, etc. You have to use context clues to determine some things in a movie.

 

Using your logic of using only evidence from the movies, we have no idea what a T-16 might be without assuming. Is it a speeder? Is it a turret? Is it a ship? He never says he flies it. The audience doesn't see this T-16 being flown.

 

Luke clearly flies a speeder in the first part of the movie, so is he referring to that? Or is he just overconfident and bluffing to look more impressive? We never hear anything more of it.

 

Rey said she was a pilot but of what exactly? She never specifies. She clearly flies a speeder in the first part of the movie, so is she referring to that? Is she just overconfident and bluffing to look more impressive? We never hear anything more of it. 

 

Are we serious? What does a pilot in Star Wars fly? Oh, the audience must never assume it's a ship!!

 

Yeah, when Finn says "We need a pilot!", he must be referring to a speeder...as the pair run towards two ships. And I'm sure Rey would say, "We have one!" again referring to a speeder. Are you kidding? Clearly the obvious answer is a ship. She doesn't exactly have time to list her flight qualifications while being attacked by TiE fighters.

 

Have you watched the movie? Is anything about Rey cocky and overconfident? Why the heck would she feel the need to "look more impressive" while under attack from First Order forces?

 

 

I keep saying it, but here it is again: All I'm saying is that Rey had the competence and skill to pilot the Millennium Falcon and get it into orbit. That's it.

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IDT he will be in rogue one simply because they wouldnt get the death star plans if he were the admiral in charge. I could see him being in the new trilogy because he would be game changer for the First order and Snoke would know that. 

 

Thrawn wasn't omniscient and his failures were usually due to incompetence of his subordinates or impossibly boring luck of the main characters (but they happened). But still, I never wrote that he will be in charge, we already know the main antagonist (Orson Krennic). At most I expect that there happens something mildly strange in the movie which will be explained in Rebels as a part of some Thrawn's elaborate plan or at least that his name will be mentioned, I would be very surprised if he made an appearance on the screen as an actor. If he did, we'd have 2 white uniform officers and Vader in one movie, that would be... much, an overkill for the rebels (yeah, I watched ANH too, but it doesn't seem like they're going to have any Jedi to help them this time). 

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Thrawn wasn't omniscient and his failures were usually due to incompetence of his subordinates or impossibly boring luck of the main characters (but they happened). But still, I never wrote that he will be in charge, we already know the main antagonist (Orson Krennic). At most I expect that there happens something mildly strange in the movie which will be explained in Rebels as a part of some Thrawn's elaborate plan or at least that his name will be mentioned, I would be very surprised if he made an appearance on the screen as an actor. If he did, we'd have 2 white uniform officers and Vader in one movie, that would be... much, an overkill for the rebels (yeah, I watched ANH too, but it doesn't seem like they're going to have any Jedi to help them this time).

Yed. Another thing though that I find interesting is that snoke shares similar ideologies with Thrawn. I didnt believe thrawn would be canon simply because of snoke but now that he is canon, there is a real opportunity there to use him aswel

They alsi both saw the rise and fall of the empire

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I guess

would be refreshing  .

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What the actual hell was that?

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What the actual hell was that?

You should of seen the Binks Awakens Trailer

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Trailer #2 out today.

 

 

Thoughts?

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