Star Wars Episode VII Discussion (MASSIVE SPOILERS)

[1Leonard 134]

It's less stupid than General Grievous, Count Dooku, Savage Oppress

 

You're forgetting Darth Icky, Darth Insanius and Admiral Bone-To-Pick.

 

^{_{oh, George...}}

[Box 8]

I was not impressed. I felt like there was a lack of focus and that the movie was rushing from scene to scene. I can't help but compare it to the original Star Wars. The original movie has a slow buildup and a lot of exposition which all ties together and works to make the ending so memorable. In The Force Awakens, I didn't like the new death star thing because it wasn't really established very well, nor was the lightsaber duel at the end. It felt like they were checking boxes.

 

I felt like the movie should have focused more closely on Rey and Finn and their search for Luke Skywalker while trying to escape from the First Order. That's basically what the movie is about but once the characters leave Jakku, it gets kind of distracted.

[Doctor Evil 51]

Admittedly the movie follows a similar structure to Episode IV, however it is in no way a bad movie and in fact I like it so much that it's my second favorite star wars movie made at 9.2/10 (behind ESB @ 9.5/10).

 

Re-hashing what made Episode IV great was brilliant because it allows people who didn't get to experience that movie in the theatres (like me) to do so while also bringing a lot of new ideas, characters, and stories to the table. In that effect, it works beautifully. Rey is fantastic, Finn is quite hilarious, BB-8 is genius, and Renn is excellent and arguablly well acted (though the whole temper tantrum scene was strange). Despite the fact that I could predict the whole plot of the movie before I saw it, I still love it. That doesn't make it bad, as long as it does it right... and it did. The MCU-like comedy also worked for Star Wars, and I love that it was implemented. And yes, it did feel like Star Wars.

 

There's a group of people who decided to start bitching about this movie so much that it makes me sick, it's the same baseless argument behind those who blindly hate the prequels. Since when has Star Wars ever been 100% original? I think a lot of Star Wars fans don't know what they want and when anything isn't exactly what they want they start complaining and it's what ruined the prequels. I sincerely hope it doesn't with this trilogy. There's also those who are running their mouths about the movie saying how it's bad simply to sound like they're not a part of the pack. Being a hipster doesn't make you cool, it just either makes you look simply different or you can look like a total moron.

 

I also believe that the following movies will move away from being shadows of their predecessors and innovate new plots to Star Wars. Can't wait till Episode 8 is going to come out, and I am surely going to watch this movie several more times in theatres.
 

(I'd also like to point out that I still believe the Darth Jar Jar theory applies, and that Snoke is merely the latest bodily posession of Plageuis/Jar Jar.... BTW, during my screening, I had someone to the right of me blatantly talking half the movie and filming it with his flash on while talking on his phone. I was about to kick his ass when someone already got the manager and booted his pathetic ass out of the theatre. People who ruin movies like that should go drown themselves, I have no tolerance for that crap.)

[Haveayap 127]

Admittedly the movie follows a similar structure to Episode IV, however it is in no way a bad movie and in fact I like it so much that it's my second favorite star wars movie made at 9.2/10 (behind ESB @ 9.5/10).

 

Re-hashing what made Episode IV great was brilliant because it allows people who didn't get to experience that movie in the theatres (like me) to do so while also bringing a lot of new ideas, characters, and stories to the table. In that effect, it works beautifully. Rey is fantastic, Finn is quite hilarious, BB-8 is genius, and Renn is excellent and arguablly well acted (though the whole temper tantrum scene was strange). Despite the fact that I could predict the whole plot of the movie before I saw it, I still love it. That doesn't make it bad, as long as it does it right... and it did. The MCU-like comedy also worked for Star Wars, and I love that it was implemented. And yes, it did feel like Star Wars.

 

There's a group of people who decided to start bitching about this movie so much that it makes me sick, it's the same baseless argument behind those who blindly hate the prequels. Since when has Star Wars ever been 100% original? I think a lot of Star Wars fans don't know what they want and when anything isn't exactly what they want they start complaining and it's what ruined the prequels. I sincerely hope it doesn't with this trilogy. There's also those who are running their mouths about the movie saying how it's bad simply to sound like they're not a part of the pack. Being a hipster doesn't make you cool, it just either makes you look simply different or you can look like a total moron.

 

I also believe that the following movies will move away from being shadows of their predecessors and innovate new plots to Star Wars. Can't wait till Episode 8 is going to come out, and I am surely going to watch this movie several more times in theatres.

 

(I'd also like to point out that I still believe the Darth Jar Jar theory applies, and that Snoke is merely the latest bodily posession of Plageuis/Jar Jar.... BTW, during my screening, I had someone to the right of me blatantly talking half the movie and filming it with his flash on while talking on his phone. I was about to kick his ass when someone already got the manager and booted his pathetic ass out of the theatre. People who ruin movies like that should go drown themselves, I have no tolerance for that crap.)

Its not a bad movie, Im still going to be critical off it as the rehashed plot is really annoying and lets be honest, it shouldnt of happened. As  the days go by, I am getting more and more critical of the movie (It is in no way a master piece, I still prefer ep 3, 5 and 6)

[Doctor Evil 51]

Its not a bad movie, Im still going to be critical off it as the rehashed plot is really annoying and lets be honest, it shouldnt of happened. As  the days go by, I am getting more and more critical of the movie (It is in no way a master piece, I still prefer ep 3, 5 and 6)

So if it's not original in its plot it's automatically annoying? Ok, so you must not like any MCU movies.

 

And if you prefer Episode 6 to this movie then that's all I need to hear lmao

 

And by the way, I consider myself critical of movies as well

[Haveayap 127]

So if it's not original in its plot it's automatically annoying? Ok, so you must not like any MCU movies.

 

And if you prefer Episode 6 to this movie then that's all I need to hear lmao

 

And by the way, I consider myself critical of movies as well

Im not a big fan of the MCU universe, havent watched one for a while... EP. 6 was great, so was Ep. 5... Ep. 7 was good and Id say its as good as Ep. 3, but thats it

[Doctor Evil 51]

Episode 6 is in the same category as episode 3... good movies marred by awful scenes or sequences. With Episode 6 it's the ewoks, and Episode 3 is the occassionally awful dialogue writing.

 

Episode 7 is far superior to both in terms of me caring and me enjoying the movie. Just because it isn't original makes it bad. Look at Kotor, the whole thing revolved around finding a way to destroy the giant mcguffin device known as the Star Forge, serving as a similar maguffin to the death star. It borrowed heavily in terms of plot elements from the originals... Does that make it bad? If anything it having similarities to episode 4 is an homage to what made Star Wars great and since it's been 40 years since the first movie was released, it's quite forgivable.

 

I'm sorry, but these complaints of "oh it's not original so I can't like it" are nearly as annoying as the whole "Jar Jar is the worst thing ever made and the prequels suck entirely" saga

 

EDIT: Lemme point out that Episode 6 also had a superweapon, the Death Star II, as the mcguffin.

[Haveayap 127]

Episode 6 is in the same category as episode 3... good movies marred by awful scenes or sequences. With Episode 6 it's the ewoks, and Episode 3 is the occassionally awful dialogue writing.

 

Episode 7 is far superior to both in terms of me caring and me enjoying the movie. Just because it isn't original makes it bad. Look at Kotor, the whole thing revolved around finding a way to destroy the giant mcguffin device known as the Star Forge, serving as a similar maguffin to the death star. It borrowed heavily in terms of plot elements from the originals... Does that make it bad? If anything it having similarities to episode 4 is an homage to what made Star Wars great and since it's been 40 years since the first movie was released, it's quite forgivable.

 

I'm sorry, but these complaints of "oh it's not original so I can't like it" are nearly as annoying as the whole "Jar Jar is the worst thing ever made and the prequels suck entirely" saga

 

EDIT: Lemme point out that Episode 6 also had a superweapon, the Death Star II, as the mcguffin.

But Ep. 6 was just a better film full stop. More emotional, made more sense (you didnt have to read 10 books to fully understand the plot)... Ep. 7 was good, but it had nothing on EP. 5 and 6 sorry, they are in a league of themselves (and Im sure most people would agree)... Like I said before, their is nothing wrong with ep. 7, but this story line has been rehashed one to many times and mirroring ep 4 plot was annoying. I wouldnt rate Ep. 7 in league with ep 5, or 6, but id say its as good as 4, and 3

[Doctor Evil 51]

But Ep. 6 was just a better film full stop. More emotional, made more sense (you didnt have to read 10 books to fully understand the plot)... Ep. 7 was good, but it had nothing on EP. 5 and 6 sorry, they are in a league of themselves (and Im sure most people would agree)... Like I said before, their is nothing wrong with ep. 7, but this story line has been rehashed one to many times and mirroring ep 4 plot was annoying. I wouldnt rate Ep. 7 in league with ep 5, or 6, but id say its as good as 4, and 3

 

Oh please, if you need to read books to understand the plot of episode 7, then you're doing it wrong. I knew absolutely nothing coming in other than what was given from the trailers and I had a fine understanding of the plot, and I emotionally was really satisfied with what I saw on screen in terms of Finn nearly croaking and Han getting stabbed by his son (while I knew that would happen). Yes, I'd say episode 6 was great emotionally in its finale, however the sense of realism was horribly maligned in terms of contrived plot design, the worst death for a great side character ever, a pathetic ending that is unrealistic for the executor, and, again, the whole damn ewok sequence. If you say episode 6 is better than Episode 4 then you my friend are a lost cause. Most people in fact say Episode 6 is the weakest film of the trilogy mate, and most people agree with me that TFA is a damn good film. While Episode 5 is still the best movie in the franchise ( and quite possibly one of the best movies in history ), I'd say Episode 7 makes its case for a solid second best movie in Star Wars... and that's high praise. Episode 6 is tied with Episode 3 for 4th/5th best, but they are still good movies

 

I still don't get this whole "omg it's like episode 4 it's bad" and somebody needs to explain that one to me, because by that logic then lots of what many people consider good star wars is bad (kotor, for example)

Edited December 20, 2015 by Doctor Evil

[Dastardly 31]

But Ep. 6 was just a better film full stop. More emotional, made more sense (you didnt have to read 10 books to fully understand the plot)... Ep. 7 was good, but it had nothing on EP. 5 and 6 sorry, they are in a league of themselves (and Im sure most people would agree)... Like I said before, their is nothing wrong with ep. 7, but this story line has been rehashed one to many times and mirroring ep 4 plot was annoying. I wouldnt rate Ep. 7 in league with ep 5, or 6, but id say its as good as 4, and 3

You think ROTJ is better than ANH? what 

 

is this the common view ^^?

[Mephiles550 227]

What the hell is so bad about people thinking that ROTJ is the best of the OT? There's nothing wrong with that. All 3 movies of the OT are great movies. Even thought ROTJ isn't my favorite of the trilogy, I still agree 100% that it definitely has the best emotional scenes in the trilogy. Vader killing the Emperor and Luke removing Vader's helmet are my favorite scenes in all of the Star Wars movies.

 

There's no way that I would tie Episode 3 and ROTJ for any ranking of quality. That's absolute BS. ROTJ is much better than ROTS. 

[Hassat Hunter 571]

Well, I would give it around 6.5/10. It's not horrible but I expected much much better.

 

I have to agree with most things Zbyl say. Why are there a New Republic AND Resistance? How did the First Order rise from the ashes of a destroyed Empire which had no more power? Where does Snoke come from in a Jedi and Sith-less galaxy? (Atleast Ben was explained). And to answer the question, it was stated in the movie Luke removed himself after his student fell to the dark side. Ben Solo that was. If any other students where mentioned I missed that, just the one. Which answered where a Sith came from post-ROTJ. But still, what's up with Snoke?

Though also in TPM's defense, it's a lot easier to portray a diplomatic galaxy-wide democracy than it is a dictatorship.

 

Some other irksome stuff of the movie:

* A lightsaber is a Jedi weapon. Here; everyone can just use it with the flick of a button, even Finn. Heck, he even beats the Jedi, the ones who where supposed to be the only lightsaber users without cutting their own limbs off? Why?

* Likewise the female Skywalker (no way she's not related) suddenly gaining all powers without training, you know, unlike Luke or Anakin, THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI IN THE GALAXY mind you, seems... well, super-cheap. I was kinda expecting the Stormtrooper to walk to the door and then sarcastically comment he's joking like the first time... or when he opened the door Ben Solo was there instead. But big was my suprise when it turned out... it was working instead. And... out of the movie into the "wtf?" area.

* Complete rehash of IV. Droid send with information to planet made of sand, meets a Skywalker, meet resistance, blow up superweapon. Well, all check.

* Talking about superweapons... really... REALLY? You don't need to have a 4x Death Star to make a good movie, thank you. Infact the stupidness of this weapon did infact degree my enjoyment of the movie. Seriously, no more superweapons please. This isn't The Old Republic where BioWare is so out-of-ideas there are 3 super-weapons per planet to take out, if not more.

* Sometimes a bit too much overacting on Rey and Finn, which got annoying. When they weren't shouting or going "woooooo, that's *one* good pilot!" it was much better.

* A distinction was made between stormtroopers and clone troopers was made, which was a nice touch, but they didn't really went far with it afterwards, sadly enough. Talking about stormtroopers, they HIT stuff. So non-Star Warsy. Total canon-break

 

So yeah... definitely too many points of annoyance to make me go all "great movie!"

Sticking close to ANH, then completely overpower *everything* (super-weapon, Jedi) doesn't make a better movie.

 

EDIT:

Thought of another "why?" during the movie...

* With the bombing run they use X-Wings too, X-Wings are fighters though, the Y-Wings are for bombing... but... no Y-Wings anywhere to be found. Why?

[Red Hessian 9]

^ My thoughts exactly.

 

 

EDIT:

Thought of another "why?" during the movie...

* With the bombing run they use X-Wings too, X-Wings are fighters though, the Y-Wings are for bombing... but... no Y-Wings anywhere to be found. Why?

 

Because X-Wing toys sell better.

[milestails 264]

Speaking of that Jedi mind trick scene, apparently the man behind the helmet was Daniel Craig.

 

HH: Maybe the X-Wings were using proton torpedoes? Perhaps in 30 years, they made modifications to the fighters to allow them to be more versatile? Possible explanations.

[Domino5555 119]

This is more proof that most OT fanboys don't like a different story.

[Doctor Evil 51]

Well, I would give it around 6.5/10. It's not horrible but I expected much much better.

 

I have to agree with most things Zbyl say. Why are there a New Republic AND Resistance? How did the First Order rise from the ashes of a destroyed Empire which had no more power? Where does Snoke come from in a Jedi and Sith-less galaxy? (Atleast Ben was explained). And to answer the question, it was stated in the movie Luke removed himself after his student fell to the dark side. Ben Solo that was. If any other students where mentioned I missed that, just the one. Which answered where a Sith came from post-ROTJ. But still, what's up with Snoke?

 

*cough* Darth Plageuis/Jar Jar *cough* They'll explain it in the next movie, though if it turns out to be some random sith guy I will in fact be disappointed

 

 

Some other irksome stuff of the movie:

* A lightsaber is a Jedi weapon. Here; everyone can just use it with the flick of a button, even Finn. Heck, he even beats the Jedi, the ones who where supposed to be the only lightsaber users without cutting their own limbs off? Why?

 

Does the same rule apply to katanas? If someone isn't a samurai they can't wield a Katana what so ever? Finn didn't know what he was doing and he had no choice. His first time he didn't have a blaster and ended up getting his ass kicked by a trooper with what looked like an electric pole (as expected). The second time he had no choice because Rey was out cold and he had to hold Kylo Renn off otherwise he'd just take her again, and Finn fittingly got his ass kicked again. So it's not like he's super skilled with it, in fact it shows he's out of his league, but using a lightsaber is actually as easy as flicking a goddamn button... because that's all it takes to turn it on.

 

 

* Likewise the female Skywalker (no way she's not related) suddenly gaining all powers without training, you know, unlike Luke or Anakin, THE MOST POWERFUL JEDI IN THE GALAXY mind you, seems... well, super-cheap. I was kinda expecting the Stormtrooper to walk to the door and then sarcastically comment he's joking like the first time... or when he opened the door Ben Solo was there instead. But big was my suprise when it turned out... it was working instead. And... out of the movie into the "wtf?" area.

 

This I agree was questionable, but again I attribute this to that there's more to Rey than meets the eye... Methinks she was one of Luke's students at an early age but when Renn attacked she was put somewhere "safe" and she repressed the memory... who knows.

 

 

* Complete rehash of IV. Droid send with information to planet made of sand, meets a Skywalker, meet resistance, blow up superweapon. Well, all check.

 

Except the droid wasn't relaying info of the superweapon, rather info of Skywalker... and it was incomplete. Finn had the info on the superweapon, and the focus on the Starkiller base wasn't until the 3rd act of the movie.

 

Talking about superweapons... really... REALLY? You don't need to have a 4x Death Star to make a good movie, thank you. Infact the stupidness of this weapon did infact degree my enjoyment of the movie. Seriously, no more superweapons please. This isn't The Old Republic where BioWare is so out-of-ideas there are 3 super-weapons per planet to take out, if not more.

 

I agree on this that after this movie there should be no more superweapons for a long time... But people accepted what EU threw out and it was galvanized with so many superweapons I couldn't tell which was which. For this instance, it worked for me because it is a reboot of the franchise

 

 

* Sometimes a bit too much overacting on Rey and Finn, which got annoying. When they weren't shouting or going "woooooo, that's *one* good pilot!" it was much better.

 

Occasionally, but when has Star Wars ever had perfect acting?

 

 

* A distinction was made between stormtroopers and clone troopers was made, which was a nice touch, but they didn't really went far with it afterwards, sadly enough. Talking about stormtroopers, they HIT stuff. So non-Star Warsy. Total canon-break

 

Lmao, well to be fair these are different stormtroopers.... maybe they just got better training

 

 

So yeah... definitely too many points of annoyance to make me go all "great movie!"

Sticking close to ANH, then completely overpower *everything* (super-weapon, Jedi) doesn't make a better movie.

 

But it did work for ANH, and the superweapon mcguffin worked for Episode 6, if we get annoyed at over used plots then Star Wars probably would end up in the dumpster fire of bad movies... But I agree, no more superweapons after this

 

 

EDIT:

Thought of another "why?" during the movie...

* With the bombing run they use X-Wings too, X-Wings are fighters though, the Y-Wings are for bombing... but... no Y-Wings anywhere to be found. Why?

 

But X-wings are armed with proton torpedoes, as seen in Episode 4, so they can function as fighter/bombers. Y-wings are a lot less versatile.

 

 

This is more proof that most OT fanboys don't like a different story.

 

Actually it's the OT fanboys who are complaining most about this crap, they complain about anything. It's why I can't stand most of them who A. cry about the Prequels and B. Cry about the edits to the originals

[Domino5555 119]

But still, there are many bootlickers in charge of Star Wars who try to please the fanboys. The Force Awakens is essentially a more violent remake of A New Hope, and on Rotten Tomatoes, it has about the same rating as A New Hope. I'm pretty sure a reviewer said that Episode VII pretty much has the same plot as A New Hope, but that's what they wanted. And I think that was the reason the Prequels weren't universally loved, because they were different from the Original Trilogy.

[Hassat Hunter 571]

* In the old movies they did explain it would need the Force to wield lightsabers without just cutting yourself to pieces... here; not so much. Even if Finn isn't great at it, he does seem to handle it (and he hit Ben Solo).

 

* Sounds like Disciple, still needs training though to be a Force User.

 

* I don't... the EU had some pretty silly and unforgivable weaponry in it. One reason I'm not sad it's conned.

 

* The movie could have worked perfectly well without the super-weapon. I mean; the main plot was going for Skywalker anyway. No superweapon needed there. It felt tacked on for the sake of having a super-weapon.

 

* Still, you would expect bombers to accompany a bombing run, no matter how upgraded the fighters are.

 

* I like II and III. Sadly, I do feel this one's sticking way too close to IV.

[Domino5555 119]

What silly and unforgivable weaponry?

[Doctor Evil 51]

But still, there are many bootlickers in charge of Star Wars who try to please the fanboys. The Force Awakens is essentially a more violent remake of A New Hope, and on Rotten Tomatoes, it has about the same rating as A New Hope. I'm pretty sure a reviewer said that Episode VII pretty much has the same plot as A New Hope, but that's what they wanted. And I think that was the reason the Prequels weren't universally loved, because they were different from the Original Trilogy.

 

This is true, that's what made the prequels fail in the eyes of some fans, and that's what sadly made Disney afraid to screw up TFA and thus played it safe, because of said backlash by fans, but it's happening because now it's what they wanted with the prequels... TBH OT fanboys are the cancer that nearly killed this franchise

 

* In the old movies they did explain it would need the Force to wield lightsabers without just cutting yourself to pieces... here; not so much. Even if Finn isn't great at it, he does seem to handle it (and he hit Ben Solo).

 

That's just retarded... If I needed some magical powers to wield some sword then medieval warfare would have been a myth. If anything, I'm glad that concept has been retconned. The only thing that separates Lightsabers from swords is that they are made of lasers. That's it. And before you make this point, the general populace doesn't use them because they probably prefer blasters to what they think is an antiquated weapon

 

OH, and I need a source on where they said that, never heard that one before

 

* Sounds like Disciple, still needs training though to be a Force User.

 

Didn't I say she had training? The age she was left on Jakku, she probably was trained from being a toddler, not exactly hard. Oh, and in the Clone Wars we saw toddlers able to move stuff with the force without ANY training what so ever, and THATS canon.

 

* The movie could have worked perfectly well without the super-weapon. I mean; the main plot was going for Skywalker anyway. No superweapon needed there. It felt tacked on for the sake of having a super-weapon.

 

Agreed, but for me it worked... The plot involved rertrieving Rey from the first order, might as well have that base where they are keeping her be more significant than some random prison outpost

 

* Still, you would expect bombers to accompany a bombing run, no matter how upgraded the fighters are.

 

Don't get why you'd need them when the fighters themselves are bombers, just split them up for different uses

 

* I like II and III. Sadly, I do feel this one's sticking way too close to IV.

 

Episode II was pathetic, the plot didn't get moving until the last 30 minutes. Episode III I liked, but had some bad parts... Episode I is not a great movie, but vastly overhated

[zbyl2 811]

* A lightsaber is a Jedi weapon. Here; everyone can just use it with the flick of a button, even Finn. Heck, he even beats the Jedi, the ones who where supposed to be the only lightsaber users without cutting their own limbs off? Why?

To be fair, Finn used it about as well as the other stormtrooper used his melee weapon. It's safe to assume stormtroopers had a basic melee training, and that's how Finn was able to hold his own.

He got ass kicked pretty quickly by (very injured) Kylo Ren later.

 

 

* A distinction was made between stormtroopers and clone troopers was made, which was a nice touch, but they didn't really went far with it afterwards, sadly enough. Talking about stormtroopers, they HIT stuff. So non-Star Warsy. Total canon-break

They were always good against characters non critical to the plot. See the opening of New Hope.

Later on, when trying to shoot Rey in the forest, they went back into always missing mode.

 

 

Thought of another "why?" during the movie...

* With the bombing run they use X-Wings too, X-Wings are fighters though, the Y-Wings are for bombing... but... no Y-Wings anywhere to be found. Why?

I was more surprised by TIE Fighters fitting two people.

 

 

* In the old movies they did explain it would need the Force to wield lightsabers without just cutting yourself to pieces... here; not so much. Even if Finn isn't great at it, he does seem to handle it (and he hit Ben Solo).

Where did they ever say that? All they ever said in the OT was that it was a Jedi weapon for more civilized days. And no one ever taught Luke how to use one, either.

 

 

TBH OT fanboys are the cancer that nearly killed this franchise

No, they're not. Boring, badly written, computer generated prequels are.

 

 

* I like II and III.

That's honestly the most surprising thing you wrote.

Episode II's romantic sub-plot is the worst part of the saga and Jar Jar Binks is a slight annoyance by comparison.

[Doctor Evil 51]

No, they're not. Boring, badly written, computer generated prequels are.

 

Episode II was a result of Lucas changing the plot because so many people complained about Jar Jar and what happened in episode I, IMO Episode I's CGI usage as just fine, it was Episode II had it bad because they had to change a lot... but that's a discussion for another topic

 

As for the fanboys, it is actually true in some sorts because a majority of the vocal haters on this movie tend to be those who liked only the original movies,

 

I was more surprised by TIE Fighters fitting two people.

 

Star Wars rebels showed it could, though it was tight. This is 30 years later in terms of tech and likely has some differences over what we saw in the original

Edited December 20, 2015 by Doctor Evil

[1Leonard 134]

This is more proof that most OT fanboys don't like a different story.

Right, because we aaaal know that V is an EXACT copy of IV.

Oh no, it isn't, which is why most of those OT fanboys totally hate it.

To this day, all of those OT fanboys lament the fact that episode V isn't an exact copy of IV.

Remember episode V being on the bottom of everyone's ranking lists?

 

I sure don't.

 

Nice generalisation you got going on over there, bud.

[Haveayap 127]

To be fair, Finn used it about as well as the other stormtrooper used his melee weapon. It's safe to assume stormtroopers had a basic melee training, and that's how Finn was able to hold his own.

He got ass kicked pretty quickly by (very injured) Kylo Ren later.

 

 

They were always good against characters non critical to the plot. See the opening of New Hope.

Later on, when trying to shoot Rey in the forest, they went back into always missing mode.

 

 

I was more surprised by TIE Fighters fitting two people.

 

 

Where did they ever say that? All they ever said in the OT was that it was a Jedi weapon for more civilized days. And no one ever taught Luke how to use one, either.

 

 

No, they're not. Boring, badly written, computer generated prequels are.

 

 

That's honestly the most surprising thing you wrote.

Episode II's romantic sub-plot is the worst part of the saga and Jar Jar Binks is a slight annoyance by comparison.

the prequels werent that bad... EP 2 was by far the worst, but ep. 1 and 3 are good movies... If you watch ANH without the nostalgia glasses on, it is actually a bad movie (Ep. 4 also has the same issues people like to point out in ep. 1 to a worse degree) and hard to enjoy the film for the first hour (who cares about lukes farming duties, or the jawa selling them droids, and that first scene with Ben Kenobi and the tusken raiders has always been utterly stupid no matter what version you watch) , its not until they get to the death star that the movie actually gets interesting (Hence why I rank Ep. 4 so low)

 

But still, there are many bootlickers in charge of Star Wars who try to please the fanboys. The Force Awakens is essentially a more violent remake of A New Hope, and on Rotten Tomatoes, it has about the same rating as A New Hope. I'm pretty sure a reviewer said that Episode VII pretty much has the same plot as A New Hope, but that's what they wanted. And I think that was the reason the Prequels weren't universally loved, because they were different from the Original Trilogy.

I agree completely, TFA was essentially JJ and Disney trying to please all the OT fanboys. It was a good movie, but the plot just takes the shine away from the movie. The whole super weapon thing is really starting to get old IMO (and why would the first order make a weapon more vulnerable than the death star that can only be used twice, thats hardly threatening) and has been used one to many times. But its not just that, even alot the new characters in this movie feel like they are from the EU (Lets face it, Ben solo is similar to Ben skywalker (just different parents))...

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But still, there are many bootlickers in charge of Star Wars who try to please the fanboys. The Force Awakens is essentially a more violent remake of A New Hope, and on Rotten Tomatoes, it has about the same rating as A New Hope. I'm pretty sure a reviewer said that Episode VII pretty much has the same plot as A New Hope, but that's what they wanted. And I think that was the reason the Prequels weren't universally loved, because they were different from the Original Trilogy.

 

You have got to be trolling here.

 

The prequels aren't hated because they were different. They were just badly made movies. I'm currently rewatching all of the movies with my girlfriend and the prequels are just a bore after the OT. Has nothing to do with being different, but everything to do with their quality. 

 

Politics can be exciting (House of Cards, Game of Thrones), but Lucas decided to focus on it in the prequels and just didn't cut it.

 

And for the record: I do not hate the prequel trilogy, not at all! I just acknowledge that they have flaws and aren't as good as the Original Trilogy (though III and VI are on the same level sometimes).