spoilers Question about a global that I can’t find any activation for (spoilers for the end of KoTOR2)

[vault13deathclaw]

In Kreia’s dialogue file, Handmaiden’s romance lines are governed by a global referred to as 000_Hand_Love (yes, it’s a funny name).

I cannot find what supposedly activates this. Is it restored in TSLRCM? Is it in vanilla? Visas’s romance global is triggered by her romance scene but to my knowledge, Handmaiden has no such equivalent. She does have a dialogue that is very similar to the speech that Visas gives during her romance scene, but that doesn’t trigger the global either. I checked all over her dialogue file and the one at the Telos academy.

Does anyone know anything about this global value?

[DarthParametric]

22 minutes ago, vault13deathclaw said:

000_Hand_Love

I don't see any references to it in either vanilla or TSLRCM scripts. The only "000_Hand" references I can see are to 000_Hand_Finale and 000_Handmaiden_Dead in 262TEL_Telos_Secret_Academy/a_kreatris. That's despite there being a bunch:

000_Hand_Angry
000_Hand_Atris_PC
000_Hand_Dad_Teach
000_Hand_Father
000_Hand_Finale
000_Hand_Love
000_Hand_Mom_PC
000_Hand_React_Evil
000_Hand_React_Good
000_Hand_Trial
000_Handmaiden_Dead
000_Handmaiden_Force
000_Handmaiden_Jedi

[vault13deathclaw]

15 minutes ago, DarthParametric said:

I don't see any references to it in either vanilla or TSLRCM scripts. The only "000_Hand" references I can see are to 000_Hand_Finale and 000_Handmaiden_Dead in 262TEL_Telos_Secret_Academy/a_kreatris. That's despite there being a bunch:

000_Hand_Angry
000_Hand_Atris_PC
000_Hand_Dad_Teach
000_Hand_Father
000_Hand_Finale
000_Hand_Love
000_Hand_Mom_PC
000_Hand_React_Evil
000_Hand_React_Good
000_Hand_Trial
000_Handmaiden_Dead
000_Handmaiden_Force
000_Handmaiden_Jedi

Hmm. Sorry about my ignorance about this topic, but do those script references you are looking at include values set via conversation options? I was trying to find it in the dlg editor and I couldn’t find it, but am I almost certain I have seen a few of those in there, or maybe I am confusing them with similar named ones.

[DarthParametric]

In TSL they expanded on script functionality, so it's certainly possible to have a generic script that parses a string in the DLG to set a global. 

However, I'm not sure I recall ever seeing something like that. I'm only aware of starting conditional checks, like so:

[JCarter426]

It's checked in 904kreia.dlg but never set anywhere in both the original game and TSLRCM as far as I can tell—not present in any other DLG or NCS file.

Easiest way to enable it would be to add a call of the script a_global_set on a dialogue somewhere, probably in her dialogue after the Atris fight. I don't know what preconditions make sense, though. It may have been related to other cut content which doesn't exist in the game files.

 

[vault13deathclaw]

Hmm. Thats really too bad. I ended up cloning a new entry and repurposing it (removing the “after that you must leave all loves behind” part) as a reward for a companion quest I made, but I was really hoping that it was implemented for real somewhere.

Somewhere I think might make sense would be:

Handmaiden’s dialogue file actually has this very elaborate “you mean a lot to me exile and here is the context for why” which very much echoes Visas’s romance scene. I think that would be a good place to flag it, but the problem would be it would mean you could get both Handmaiden and Visas’s love dialogue. Unless you also change Visas’s dialogue file to have a conditional to prevent her romance scene if you ”romance” Handmaiden.
On the other hand, changing the Telos Academy scene would require changing one file, easily allow for setting the conditional for mutual exclusivity with Visas, but unless some elaborate scene akin to the “Bastila romance enhancement” mod is inserted, then it comes off as kind of hollow. On the other hand, actually implementing a similar scene with a visual kiss would be a great thematic contrast between Visas’s “spiritual/mental” connection and Handmaiden’s “physical” (so to speak, this is highly reductive).

Edited 1 hour ago by vault13deathclaw