Abocreature

I mean... it takes a while for 9 people to make this much. There are at least three of them that regularly stream, so it's not like they aren't doing anything at all. They don't make money from this and all have day jobs, remember.

I understand that concern, although I personally have more usually experienced people complaining that the holder was being dumb rather than that they did something actually illegal.

Of course I do. I understand being cautious and skeptical of the success of these mods since both Disney and EA are involved. Honestly, I mainly disagree with how Winter up there was sort of harassing the fanbase about this one quote from one of the devs taken from the general discord chat that already has a very laid back atmosphere. Even if it does get C and D'd, I personally have gained a lot from the streams of the development and I'm betting plenty of other people have too. Me and many others have already gained something from this project, whether it sees the light of day or not.

Hey man, I concede that this probably doesn't fit the legal definition of the mod. I said IP law is dubious because it's enforcement is entirely up the holder and it's strength can be... flexible depending on the money involved, even if something legally would fit that definition. I don't have a lot of experience with UE4, and I think if they can implement it in the way they plan, there's no real reason for EA/LucasArts/Disney/whoever the hell is in charge of this IP by now to C and D this since there's no new release to compete and it requires a purchase of the base game to play. (Piracy is still piracy and will happen regardless of this, and I don't really think this would increase or decrease the percentage, just the raw numbers). And regardless of all of that, I don't think this is a malicious action on their part.

That's fair to be skeptical. I'll try asking next time someone streams if they're even at the point where they've planned out how the implementation will function. My point is: 1. I don't see what I'd be particularly losing by hoping they succeed and 2. I don't see what they have to gain by maliciously lying about whether it's even possible to implement it in this way. As a result, I think kicking up a fuss on their streams and in their fan forums about them lying to us is causing more harm than good.

I don't know how they're planning to implement this, so I don't know whether or not it's dubious to think it'll require the base game. I just know that they have every reason to be motivated to make it that way. And I still don't see the problem with giving people hope about this not being shut down if we're not being cheated out of anything. I don't see what this project would be in competition to since there isn't anything similar coming out in the foreseeable future.

EDITED: removing unnecessary unpleasantness

All that one developer said is that he is "well aware of [IP law not working that way]". This doesn't imply that they're lying about it requiring the base game. Since there's no financial gain, there's not a huge reason to waste all of this time if they aren't going to do everything they can to try and make sure it stays up.

It has been stated multiple times that it will require the base game to be installed in order to install or run at all. That sounds like it's encouraging people to give the license holder money, not taking it from them.

IP laws are notoriously flexible. It's difficult to be sure of any legality unless you're the holder of the property. What was important was how this differed from other similar projects that have been taken down, not that it meets a rigid definition of legality. Yes, EA still has all the legal power in the world to force them to stop, but it's really about whether or not they would do that rather than if they could do that. Apeiron doesn't accept donations and won't be charging for the end product. No one is being cheated out of anything, so going around making sure everyone and their mother who might be a little bit excited about this know that it's absolutely doomed and they shouldn't bother is accomplishing nothing more than being a dick. Let us be hopeful. Let us have fun in this harmless way.