Markus Ramikin's report on 1.7

[Markus Ramikin 107]

This is a report built during a playthrough of 1.7, including TSLRCM 1.7 Fix by Hassat Hunter.

 

Other mods used:

 

- Aurora's Rebalance

- Improved AI

- My own minor tweaks of NPC stats.

- Workbench Crystal Attunement

 

As before:

 

Male lightside Jedi Consular/Jedi Master.

Highest difficulty.

 

 

As always, there's a lot of goodness in this mod and there's no point in listing it all, so I'll mostly focus on the criticisms. Don't let this make you think I don't like the mod. Like I said before, "if I'm mean to you, it's because I care".

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Area: GLOBAL, EBON HAWK

 

 

1. Visas-Nihilus scene

 

Yes, it's better than the bik movie, but why is every bit of the dialogue unskippable? Please change that.

 

By now, having to listen to Nihilus' ruined throat and being unable to skip it results in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm for me .

 

 

2. Bao-Dur's Jedi training

 

Thank you for modifying the meditation part. That's exactly what I had in mind, and it's definitely better now.

 

The defense-against-remote part still looks like it did, but I'm starting to think it's one of those things that can't be fixed. It's probably the same problem as when sometimes, during normal (non-cutscene) combat, your character will just stand there during the enemy's combat round, rather than do a defensive animation.

 

 

 

3. Kreia's lesson of skills: condition

 

As before: dialogue and condition don't match. Dialogue says to improve your weakest skill, but if you do only that the lesson will not continue. Please fix the condition.

 

 

 

4. Kreia's lesson of skills: reward

 

As before: game message and reward don't match. Game message says both skills get improved, actual reward is only for the weakest skill. One way or another, they should be made to match.

 

Edited November 4, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Areas: PRE-TELOS

 

 

 

1. T3 has actual dialogue (Prologue)

 

Why? Is this a restoration or did you invent it? If it's an invention, it's really a bad idea. If it's a restoration, I still don't think it's a great idea, for the following reasons:

 

T3, as a character, was a success precisely because of how much personality he shows without ever saying an intelligible word. He's a bit mysterious that way, possibly knows more of the backstory than HK-47 and in some ways even Kreia, but hardly reveals anything. This addition, while in itself most trivial, alters all that.

 

Also, some of the dialogue options are rather silly, sounds more like Remote, not T3. This alters the atmosphere of the game's beginning. It used to be more serious.

 

 

 

2. Meeting HK-50 for the first time (Peragus)

 

Looks like you added an explicit shot of HK walking in. Did you end up deciding that the fact that you couldn't see HK-50 from the start was unintended? You may be wrong there.

 

To quote Scorchy:

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/KOTOR%202/Update%203/index.html

So all along the level, you're led to believe the guy had something to do with the murders. Then you get here and the camera pans around to his face, and you find he's already dead. It's another horror/suspense movie trick. [...]

 

"Greetings; it is a pleasure to see you alive, master..."

 

Another interesting choice here. To maintain the creepiness, you don't even see who's talking at first.

 

The NPC literally isn’t in the room when you enter; he spawns in behind the player as the player's bending over the body. It's the equivalent of tapping someone on the shoulder and making them jump.

I agree with that, the camerawork here was surely very deliberate. So please reconsider this, don't fix what ain't broke.

 

 

 

3. "Greetings, it is a pleasure to see you intact, Master."

 

Holy spam. He said that line something like 8 times in a row. It had something to do with my moving around while fighting droids, and thus re-entering his range I guess. He'd also do that every time I ran by while exploring the two rooms.

 

Sounds awful, like a broken record and not an intelligent droid. What was it like in vanilla, anyway? He used to say it just once, if I remember?

 

That line is already his actual greeting when you click on him to talk. That's perfectly sufficient.

 

 

4. * Fixes long pause before Sien gets taken down by Coorta.

 

This always bothered me, though I never thought to mention it. Good work.

Edited November 2, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Areas: TELOS

 

 

1. Mebla, the Telos Pazaak player (edit: fix submitted)

 

Buggy condition of giving the reward.

 

 

2. Gamorreans that you use to deal with Doton Het (fix proposal submitted)

 

This is very minor and I mentioned it before, but I include such unaddressed things for completeness.

 

If possible and not too hard to do, these two should disappear once you leave the module (though not immediately). Otherwise they stand there forever, saying their "don't worry about the mess" line - even to B4-D4, which doesn't make sense.

 

 

3. Caged flatworm

 

I repeat and maintain that removing the possibility to help the caged Ithorian (if Slusk is left alive) is a bad idea, and psychologically unsatisfactory to the player. Yes, the line on the terminal makes sense - but only in the most limited way possible. If look at the bigger picture, the whole thing makes less sense now than in vanilla.

 

For one: I can loot Slusk's footlocker, likewise his two plasteel containers, I can run around his place like I own it. Only the terminal has an added dose of realism in that I can't access it with Slusk standing there. Benefit to suspension of disbelief: zero.

 

For two: it's implausible that the Exile, being Lightside, working for the Ithorians, and possibly having promised the caged flatworm to free him, would just forget about this.

 

This change would only work well if, at the same time, content existed for freeing the Ithorian in another way. Either by disabling the force cage manually, or talking to Slusk about it.

 

Since that content does not exist, your change overeall alters the story in an unfavorable way. If the only point of this was to restore a line of text on the terminal, well... that's restoring for the sake of restoring? which can sometimes make the game worse, not better.

 

Now that I think of it, I'm sure the only reason that line existed in the files at all is that Obsidian must have initially imagined you being able to run around that place freely before the Slusk plotline was resolved. Then, when they changed it so cutscenes and combat take over immediately, it was dropped.

 

 

4. HK-50s on the Polar Mesa

 

As before: they speak of mines and self-destruct sequences, but neither are there.

 

 

5. Party health in Polar Academy/Ebon Hawk

 

I know in 1.6 you tried to give Bao-Dur a heal there, like I suggested, so he wouldn't stay wounded during the Ebon Hawk scenes and the whole trip to the next planet. You only succeeded partially. He would get a heal if told to come with you, but not if you send him directly to the ship.

 

Now in 1.7 this seems completely disabled again. Bao Dur fails to get a heal no matter what. Don't know whether you intended that.

 

IMO the whole party should get a heal there.

 

 

 

6. Battle music not turning off

 

I've found battle music wouldn't turn off at times. For example, after I killed the turrets behind the minefield in Restoration Zone. Another instance was after sparring the 5 Handmaiden Sisters in the polar academy.

 

Maybe it's a known bug I never noticed before. However, I'm mentioning it just in case it's a sideeffect of this:

* Battle music will keep playing after escaping Peragus until you jump into hyperspace

Edited November 3, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Areas: DANTOOINE

 

 

1. Militia dialogue (fix proposal submitted)

 

Seems the issue I pointed out in 1.6 was fixed. Good work (So why did you tell me I was wrong about it, Hassat?)

 

EDIT: hm, partly. You've fixed the militiaman outside, but the one next to the Administrator still has the "don't cause any more trouble" line among his responses, even when you don't have a lightsaber. Not a very big deal, any more than the original issue, but in case it's an oversight I'm just letting you know.

 

 

2. HK-50s still have the -30 mod (fix proposal submitted)

 

As before: The 3 HK-50s that show up in front of the Jedi Enclave when you first go there have a -30 mod to saves, which as I remember being said before, wasn't intended.

 

 

3. Suulru quest

 

As before: at the end of it, Suulru still doesn't have his modulator, which he needs to farm, and which was the reason he asked you to help. At that point I don't even know why he's rewarding me. This strikes me as a plot hole, and probably fixable without having to invent content. Perhaps with the "item gained" "item lost" functions.

 

I feel particularly justified in bringing it up because this isn't a simple restoration, but a change; you've actually removed some content to make room for this (the dialogues relevant to Jorran, and the modulator item itself). And that IMO is only justifiable if the end result makes more sense than the vanilla state of things.

 

 

 

4. Disciple, again.

 

It's been about 3-4 versions and I still have no idea why it's necessary to move him to Khoonda from the ruins if you haven't freed him from the laigreks yourself. Could someone please explain why it works like this?

 

 

 

5. Saedhe model

 

Ceterum censeo... yeah. Old black guy was better.

 

 

6. Battle of Khoonda: -20 mod to saves (fix proposal submitted)

 

As usual, I took the Settler side. Just like 1.6, the Mercenaries had a -20 mod to saves, making disabling them with Horror ridiculously easy.

 

This was even without me doing an uplifting speech, in case that was supposed to have anything to do with it.

 

 

 

7. Battle of Khoonda: small discrepancy with the models

 

The mercs that run across the bridge in your replacement of the movie are all wearing some sort of blinders/masks. Then when the game switches to actual combat, they're not.

 

EDIT: If you are using the blinders/masks, consider also adding them to the models while Azkul speaks of his battle plan. There are 3 merc guys in much closer view and they very obviously have all the same face.

 

 

 

8. Pato Ado (fix proposal submitted, keeping entry for the record)

 

You made the offer to join the militia appear in his dialogue even if he's been cleaned out in Pazaak, good work.

 

However, it doesn't disappear after the battle like for the other recruits. Not a big deal, but it would make sense to remove it.

Edited November 6, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[Markus Ramikin 107]

At this point I'm going to take a longish break, so posting what I have so far.

[Hassat Hunter 571]

2. Meeting HK-50 for the first time (Peragus)

You haven't played Ulic's mod ever, right?

Anyway, this was OE's intention, not what scorchy said. Broken stuff and all. He's wrong several more times anyway...

3. "Greetings, it is a pleasure to see you intact, Master."

It's the same in vanilla, only this line lacked VO so you wouldn't notice it.

I see you've tried to fix her condition of giving a reward, which was indeed buggy.

What are you talking about?

Then, when they changed it so cutscenes and combat take over immediately, it was dropped.

It was never dropped. How many times do I have to mention they typo'd the requirement?

(So why did you tell me I was wrong about it, Hassat?)

What?

However, it doesn't disappear after the battle like for the other recruits.

Eh, Jorran got the same.

It's an error in the script.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

You haven't played Ulic's mod ever, right?

If it's the one I'm thinking of, then I did once. It gave me the T3-is-missing bug and I ditched it.

 

this was OE's intention, not what scorchy said

'cause it's not possible OE saw what they did and decided 'hey this actually looks good, let's leave it like this'

 

It's the same in vanilla, only this line lacked VO so you wouldn't notice it.

Now that I think of it, I remember noticing the text over his head. Funny, I thought it was intended.

 

Anyway, it sounds awful now, whenever you enter his range twice in a row or more.

 

What are you talking about?

Mebla used to give the card after two wins in a row and a third game (won or lost), calling it "three in a row". That was the bug. This time she didn't do it if I lost the third game, I actually had to win three in a row. So I assumed you fixed that part. If that's not the case, I don't know what went on.

 

It was never dropped. How many times do I have to mention they typo'd the requirement?

Yes, I know that. But you can't simply assume every bit of unfinished content was necessarily going to be included in the final version of the game if they had the time, especially in the shape it -seems- to be taking in its unfinished version. Yet that's what you seem to be doing, and you seem bent on restoring everything that looks remotely restorable whether it's a good idea or not. Now I know I'm only speculating, but more importantly I'm talking from the point of view of story making sense and the game being enjoyable.

 

And from that point of view, the vanilla state of that part of the game was better, and you made it worse. That's all.

 

What?

Okay, nvm, can't be bothered reposting the last thread.

 

Eh, Jorran got the same.

Nope, Jorran got fixed, his recruitment dialogue disappears. Which is why I figured to bring it up, if someone found it worthwhile to fix it for one, might as well mention the other.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[Hassat Hunter 571]

'cause it's not possible OE saw what they did and decided 'hey this actually looks good, let's leave it like this'

Well, if you think they thought that of there game why are you here using TSLRCM? Shouldn't you revel in what OE thought 'this looks good, let's leave it like this'?

Yes, I know that. But you can't simply assume every bit of unfinished content was necessarily going to be included in the final version of the game if they had the time, especially in the shape it -seems- to be taking in its unfinished version.

One can if the only reason why it didn't show up was a mere typo in the .dlg file, like with the Corrun Falt Quest too. Entire sections of dialogue fell prey to this, half of 1.7 is actually.

Should we just drop them again because "we cannot assume the typo was a typo and not intentional sabotage from OE?"

Hell, stuff you mentioned before like Pato on Dantooine and stuff certainly seemed like so, yet it's changed now... maybe we should revert that, right?

And from that point of view, the vanilla state of that part of the game was better, and you made it worse. That's all.

Well, kill him then. I can't be hold responsible that your Exile is just too darn a sissy LS player that it can't kill Lopak, and as a result is unable to save the Ithorian. You want to be truly Light Side, live with the consequences.

Kreia should have told you that...

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

1. T3 has actual dialogue (Prologue)

 

Why? Is this a restoration or did you invent it? If it's an invention, it's really a bad idea. If it's a restoration, I still don't think it's a great idea, for the following reasons:

 

T3, as a character, was a success precisely because of how much personality he shows without ever saying an intelligible word. He's a bit mysterious that way, possibly knows more of the backstory than HK-47 and in some ways even Kreia, but hardly reveals anything. This addition, while in itself most trivial, alters all that.

 

Also, some of the dialogue options are rather silly, sounds more like Remote, not T3. This alters the atmosphere of the game's beginning. It used to be more serious.

 

This is restoration. Though I received the same comments from at least Hassat Hunter as well, I think it's hilariously awesome, but it does take away from T3's usual exchange with characters.

 

Would making the dialog option like this:

 

Beep boreep Deet! (Orange is a nice color on you.)

 

better? It's the best I can think of in terms of compromising restored content with uh... what's the other word? Character integrity? Sure.

 

 

 

...the camerawork here was surely very deliberate. So please reconsider this, don't fix what ain't broke.

 

There's nothing in the dialog that says the HK-50 is supposed to be seen, so I say it's sort of inconclusive at this point. I do agree that it is more suspenseful to have it the other way, but I think the current camerawork for that scene is equally artful.

 

 

3. "Greetings, it is a pleasure to see you intact, Master."

 

Sounds awful, like a broken record and not an intelligent droid. What was it like in vanilla, anyway? He used to say it just once, if I remember?

 

That line is already his actual greeting when you click on him to talk. That's perfectly sufficient.

 

Maybe decreasing the frequency or the range would be good here.

 

5. Saedhe model

 

Ceterum censeo... yeah. Old black guy was better.

 

I'm not so sure here. I like it because he ends up with a sort of 'southern' accent, but that begs the question: "Why would anyone in Star Wars have a southern accent?" Hell, why would anyone in Star Wars have a british accent or be Asian?

 

Anyways, uh. One option I had thought about was maybe switching out Cede for Saedhe. They do have similar names and Saedhe's head is almost identical to Carth's. Food for thought.

 

 

As far as the whole 'restoration theory" goes, I do agree that restoring as much as possible is a crucial part of these sorts of mods. Like Markus says though, it is important to stay true to the original plot, letting the restoration 'enhance' the story, not completely take over it.

 

It'd be pretty easy to create content to allow the Ithorian to be saved, so we can have the best of both worlds here.

 

I'd be glad to do it too. I mean, it's sort of what I do anyways...

[Hassat Hunter 571]

It'd be pretty easy to create content to allow the Ithorian to be saved, so we can have the best of both worlds here.

I already offered that and got a no, so no idea what the hell he wants...

[Markus Ramikin 107]

VP: Thanks for the constructive response.

 

Your suggestion of decreasing the frequency - hm, I don't know what's possible in the technical sense, you'd know better. ATM he's simply wired to say it every time you cross the range, right?

 

Is it necessary at all? NPCs talking without clicking on them is a rarity, and HK-50 says that line anyway if you start a conversation with him, so if you approach him for that purpose, you're going to hear it twice.

 

Or maybe he should be made to say it once per entering the module. So if you go up to talk to Atton and pick up the sonic sensor data from the holos, and return, he'll say it because he hasn't seen you for a bit.

 

Just throwing ideas around.

 

 

 

 

Hassat: the T3 dialogue thing, about which you and I are of the same mind, is a good example of what I'm talking about: restoring content does not always mean good things. If you think everything that's restorable should be restored, why were you objecting to the T3 thing?

 

It's about using judgement like that. It's about restoring things for the sake of making the game better - and refraining when it does not. Rather than blindly restoring for the sake of restoring. I mean, I'm assuming that's what you guys want to do.

 

And if so, simple extrapolating from the state of the files as it happened to be at the time the deadline was reached will not always yield best results. Now if you happen to think the change makes the game better or at least not worse, sure, that's a valid point of view and we can agree to disagre. But the condescending tone and silly treatment of my arguments are not necessary. If my Exile can intimidate a crime boss (yes, it's intimidation, the only thing necessary to make it work is to choose the dialogue lines that let Slusk save some face) enough to stop an important operation (the Ithorians are "ruining his profits", after all) but not to free a single unimportant prisoner, that's not my Exile being a sissy, that's the game being stupid.

 

I already offered that and got a no, so no idea what the hell he wants...

What I'd "want" would be a revert to the vanilla state. Even if it's not going to happen, at least I tried to give my thoughts as best I could.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

VP: Thanks for the constructive response.

 

I try.

 

NPCs talking without clicking on them is a rarity

 

A nice rarity sometimes

 

HK-50 says that line anyway if you start a conversation with him, so if you approach him for that purpose, you're going to hear it twice.

 

That's a good point. Is there a better line that could be used here? I love the integration of floating text, but if there is only one line, it can get repetitive if he says it over and over.

 

 

Just throwing ideas around.

 

Don't break any lamps

 

Hassat: the T3 dialogue thing, about which you and I are of the same mind, is a good example of what I'm talking about: restoring content does not always mean good things. If you think everything that's restorable should be restored, why were you objecting to the T3 thing?

 

It's about using judgement like that. It's about restoring things for the sake of making the game better - and refraining when it does not. Rather than blindly restoring for the sake of restoring. I mean, I'm assuming that's what you guys want to do.

 

Yes, but who's to say if it's making the game better or worse? Isn't that relative to the player who's playing it? Take for instance, T3's lines.

 

I thought they were excellent and add some much needed humor to the prologue. Yes, they are not in T3's usual diction, but it's just the prologue. You don't usually have a woman computer voice telling you what to do every second of the game either, or characters telling you to press TAB to switch between characters.

 

My point is if the prologue serves to be an introduction to acquaint you with the world of Kotor II by using examples of in-game scenarios, I personally can excuse all of the instances of breaking the third wall. Add to that that the prologue is played through the perspective of T3-M4, I think I can live with T3-M4 speaking something I can understand so I don't have to keep looking up words in my Beep-to-English dictionary.

[zbyl2 811]

1. Visas-Nihilus scene

 

Yes, it's better than the bik movie, but why is every bit of the dialogue unskippable? Please change that.

It's supposed to play nicely with the music, making Nihilus' lines skippable could break that, unfortunately.

Besides, it's not any longer than the BIK movie.

 

Thank you for modifying the meditation part. That's exactly what I had in mind, and it's definitely better now.

Thanks for suggesting that, by the way

 

The defense-against-remote part still looks like it did, but I'm starting to think it's one of those things that can't be fixed. It's probably the same problem as when sometimes, during normal (non-cutscene) combat, your character will just stand there during the enemy's combat round, rather than do a defensive animation.

Yup, I tried to do something about that but didn't succed. Even healing Bao-Dur didn't fix the issue... so I don't know.

 

3. Kreia's lesson of skills: condition

Fixed script to match conditional... should there be patch/updated version, it'll be fixed.

 

4. Kreia's lesson of skills: reward

This one too, though I will need to test it.

 

4. HK-50s on the Polar Mesa

All right, I have removed a line for now... unless someone wants to script mines/self-destruct sequence in?

 

5. Party health in Polar Academy/Ebon Hawk

I'll take a look at this one as well, no promise I'll get it fixed though.

 

Maybe it's a known bug I never noticed before. However, I'm mentioning it just in case it's a sideeffect of this:

No way it's related, probably random issue.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

All right, I have removed a line for now... unless someone wants to script mines/self-destruct sequence in?

 

I'll take a look at it eventually.

[Hassat Hunter 571]

Haven't we had enough cheap "enemies behind mines" on the surface of Telos already?

 

It's not like the AI can handle that stuff well, you know...

[Guest DH-010]

(..)

Would making the dialog option like this:

 

Beep boreep Deet! (Orange is a nice color on you.)

 

better? It's the best I can think of in terms of compromising restored content with uh... what's the other word? Character integrity? Sure.

(..)

 

I don't really care either way (keeping or losing this line)... but if you must have it for Restoration's sake, please do it this way. As you say, it is the best compromise.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Yes, but who's to say if it's making the game better or worse? Isn't that relative to the player who's playing it?

Yes, of course, it's a matter of opinion. And obviously the opinions of modmakers will decide, with, at most, the small possibility that player feedback (such as what I try to provide) changes your minds.

 

In the paragraph you quoted, my intention was to defend the criterion, "is the game better or worse now", "does this make more or less sense than before". To see it taken into account at all, because subjective or not, it matters.

 

And if it is taken into account, then I have provided arguments why I think the change to Slusk's terminal affects that part of the game (the plot making sense, the result being psychologically satisfying to the player) in a bad way. These arguments (mostly in the initial post, but also some of the replies) may or may not be convincing, of course. I was merely hoping to see them actually considered.

 

I hope at least I was able to explain where I was coming from.

 

Take for instance, T3's lines.

 

I thought they were excellent and add some much needed humor to the prologue. Yes, they are not in T3's usual diction, but it's just the prologue. You don't usually have a woman computer voice telling you what to do every second of the game either, or characters telling you to press TAB to switch between characters.

 

My point is if the prologue serves to be an introduction to acquaint you with the world of Kotor II by using examples of in-game scenarios, I personally can excuse all of the instances of breaking the third wall. Add to that that the prologue is played through the perspective of T3-M4, I think I can live with T3-M4 speaking something I can understand so I don't have to keep looking up words in my Beep-to-English dictionary.

 

*nod* I see what you're saying. And yes, we seem to receive this very differently - for instance I don't think humor was "much needed" in the prologue. I liked it serious, the atmosphere of wreckage and near-total disaster and trying to save the ship and passenger(s). Despite the woman's voice and the tips, I found it strong enough to feel that this is happening "for real" (in the same sense as the rest of the game), which is perhaps the only reason the prologue was at all interesting to me. But that's my opinion, of course.

 

Still, I think that at least there's a strong argument to be found in noticing that it makes T3 act out of character. Fourth wall is one thing, OOC behaviour another - if game characters are used in tutorials, they are generally not made to be different from what they will later be like in the rest of the game. Morte in PS:T comes to mind, while he guides you in finding a weapon, killing your first zombie, and taking your first steps towards escaping your predicament, he's still the same sarcastic, somewhat cowardly guy. Er, skull.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Thanks, Zbyl

Besides, it's not any longer than the BIK movie.

True. But the bik movie I could (and did) skip. Often a player, especially having played through the game before, just wants to click through dialogues they remember (or don't like). Not being able to do so for reasons other than technical (such as the necessity to allow an animation to play out) is... well, a little annoying.

Edited October 27, 2010 by Markus Ramikin

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

@ Markus: I do understand what you're saying. I pretty much like some sort of humor in everything I do, so that's probably my bias in the situation. That's all.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

I pretty much like some sort of humor in everything I do

I hope you don't make your living as a cook

[Markus Ramikin 107]

1. Party selection problem caused by Improved AI mod - gone?

 

I couldn't reproduce it this time. Has the solution Hassat proposed been already implemented? I thought it was only proposed after the release of 1.7.

 

If it's fixed, good work! If not, damn, we not only have an issue but also a problem with reproducibility...

 

 

2. * Made some Visquis' lines skippable (edit: fix proposal submitted)

 

Good work! But there's room for more. Could we have (at least some of) the lines skippable after Mira tries to escape, please? It's the monologue where Visquis starts by inquiring about the alarm and finishes by saying that he no longer cares if the Jedi lives or dies.

 

Skippable = not annoying = the way it should be.

 

 

 

3. Typo in Mira's line (edit: I am told it's getting fixed):

 

"}Uh-oh, we've got insects. Looks like the Gand colony is in full force."

 

Just like in 1.6, it has the } character at the start.

 

 

 

4. The three Zhugs after disabling Goto's ship's cloaking

 

Maybe it's just me, but I have to say I'm not impressed with that dialogue, it seems out of place and unnecessary:

"The Zhug family will scour the galaxy for this Jedi... and then we will bring him here, to Goto."

"If we were not here before Goto, I would drill holes through your body like a nest of hungry sviro-worms."

Both these lines sound like they were meant for that earlier scene, between Goto's hologram and all the bounty hunters, at the start of Nar Shaddaa. I mean how are they "here before Goto"? When the Exile drops the yacht's shields, Goto is nowhere to be seen, and is in fact evacuating.

 

I would not be unhappy to just see this removed.

 

 

5. Adana bug (edit: submitted a fix):

 

As in 1.5 and 1.6. Rescuing Adana by talking to Saquesh, without killing him, failed to spawn Adana next to her mother.

 

 

 

6. HK-50s on Goto's ship being removed when HK-47 is present (fix proposal submitted)

 

This was sort of fixed, but in a kludgy way. You can still see them for a moment, then they fade.

 

 

 

7. Vogga's dialogue (fix proposal submitted)

 

He has obsolete lines after Goto's yacht. Also, this dialogue:

 

- I'd like to talk to you about the fuel on Sleheyron.

- There's nothing to be said about the fuel of Sleheyron, other than it is going nowhere, not with the loss of so many of my freighters.

etc.

 

...was only available after you've got Vogga to agree to send fuel to Telos. Which is illogical and is obsolete at that point. I think a more appropriate place for it would be after you've told Vogga that you're interested in the fuel he has, but before reporting about Goto and getting Vogga's agreement to send fuel.

 

 

 

8. Tienn's obsolete line (fix proposal submitted)

 

After Goto's yacht, asking him about transponder codes makes no sense.

[Stoney 1,511]

All right, I have removed a line for now... unless someone wants to script mines/self-destruct sequence in?

 

I'll take a look at it eventually.

 

In doing some messing around with things I have scripted in floating mines (like the HK50 on Peragus does) but for some reason can't get the self destruct part to work.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Oh, I like that idea. More fun than landmines, definitely.

[Markus Ramikin 107]

Mandalorian Battle Circle

 

Submitted a fix proposal for the mines exploit.

 

 

 

Meeting Kavar in the Iziz cantina

 

The various NPC reactions could use more INF hits. Submitting a tweak proposal.

 

 

 

NPC Jedi training

Minor issues with Atton's dialogue (faulty conditions, typo). Submitting a fix.

 

All the training could use a major redo, really. It's unclear and confusing. The main problems are:

- the options do not reappear when you have something to teach, you just get one shot. If you try to teach while you don't have a form to teach - too bad for you. Compare the <player> crystal, with which you don't have to worry about when to upgrade it - doing so early doesn't prevent you from doing it again, later.

- except for Atton, you don't really know what's going on (you don't know if you successfully taught anything, and what it was if you did)

 

I'm working on this and will submit the redo proposal soon.

Edited November 20, 2010 by Markus Ramikin