US Governement Builds Massive New Spy Center to track your emails and phone calls

[ZM90 100]

http://www.alternet....e_Calls/?page=1

 

At this point it's clear to me that we no longer have a government for of and by the people. Welcome to the United Corporate Police States of America. Both Bush and Obama administrations need to be charged with treason for the egregious destruction of the Bill of Rights and their spitting on the Constitution of the United States in general. For other examples of treasonous acts see: The Patriot Act, NDAA, the recent bill that was passed to clamp down on protesting, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA. There's only so much people can take, I fear it's going to get really bad in the US really soon (as if it isn't already bad enough) .

[Mandalore 61]

It's happening everywhere. The UK now has it illegal to protest at Parliament Square because it stops people from entering Parliament, when that's the whole point of protesting there in the first place. David Cameron wants to ban strikes & protests for the duration of the Olympics. A few months ago someone wanted anti-riot police to carry live ammunition. People can be punished on suspicion of something with no actual evidence. There's more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

In other news, The Hunger Games earned $155 million on opening weekend at the box office, effectively showing that people don't care about freedom nearly as much as young adult books turned into big screen blockbusters.

[ZM90 100]

In other news, The Hunger Games earned $155 million on opening weekend at the box office, effectively showing that people don't care about freedom nearly as much as young adult books turned into big screen blockbusters.

 

Yep not enough people have awoken from their corporate induced trance of reality television, big blockbuster movies, ect. A lot of people in this country don't even realize what freedoms they're losing they just automatically assume the US Constitution protects their freedoms without them having to pay attention to any attempts to reduce them or take them away altogether by both corporate parties might I add.

 

I think a lot of Americans just fall for the assumption of "It can't happen here in America." which is a flat out wrong assumption, the slow eroding away of the Bill of Rights has been happening since the year 2000 whenever a fraud was placed in the highest office of the land by the US Supreme Court.

 

Believe me I fell for the "Hope & Change" thing in 2008 because I grew up partly in the Clinton years with a good economy and partly in the Bush years which horrified me. I thought that Obama was going to be the one who would lead us away from the tyranny of the Bush years but, I was wrong and I was duped but, so were a lot of other people.

 

Yes, Barack Obama is a better President than George W. Bush but, that isn't saying much considering he still works for the corporate powers he's just better at masking it. He is basically to me the lesser of the two evils.

[GovernorTarkin 0]

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/facebook_pledges_support_controversial_cispa_bill

http://intelligence.house.gov/bill/cyber-intelligence-sharing-and-protection-act-2011

 

Just thought you might like to know about CISPA, if you didn't already.

Its a shame my vote doesn't matter in this country. The majority of people who vote will vote only for dem/rep. It makes me wish more people my age voted, maybe then we could affect change.

[Extreme110 4]

I still maintain that Ron Paul, being a candidate who supports the Anonymous message, is probably the best candidate you have.

 

Australia is close to having a mandatory website blacklist, but seeing as Gillard can't afford losing anymore potential voters for the election pretty soon, I doubt it will get fully implemented. Even if it does, I already have tor and all my other proxy tools. The Governments can't hold us forever.

[Vriff 21]

Do people actually believe this stuff?

 

LOL

[ZM90 100]

http://www.maximumpc...sial_cispa_bill

http://intelligence....ection-act-2011

 

Just thought you might like to know about CISPA, if you didn't already.

Its a shame my vote doesn't matter in this country. The majority of people who vote will vote only for dem/rep. It makes me wish more people my age voted, maybe then we could affect change.

 

CISPA is horrifying, I've already signed several petitions against it and there has been pressure on the White House to oppose it. If the White House does end up opposing it if it passes the house and senate then President Obama will probably sign it in private and when people find out he did he'll probably make up some excuse like "It was veto proof anyway" to try to fool his liberal/progressive base into accepting internet censorship. My political beliefs are like the old school Dems of FDR and Kennedy not this corporate Dem bullshit. Sad how the Democratic Party used to stand for ordinary people yet no longer does, FDR is turning over in his grave. As for Ron Paul I do like some of his views such as ending the US involvement in foreign conflicts and ending the war on drugs and how he seems pretty good on civil liberties. The one major thing that worries me about Paul is him wanting to get rid of the safety net which I think we really need to keep.

 

I kinda wish the US had a viable "Pirate Party" to fight censorship of the internet but, getting a 3rd viable party with the way our electoral system works is nigh impossible.

 

Anyway enough of my political ranting .

[Mandalore 61]

As I said before, the shift to right-wing is everywhere. A few weeks ago, I saw a Conservative MP (the right-wing party in the UK) say they were "the party of the working class". I don't know when "working class" meant extremely rich bankers who went to Oxbridge universities and can affect Cabinet policies if they give the Prime Minister £250,000. Which was admitted, by the way.

[ZM90 100]

As I said before, the shift to right-wing is everywhere. A few weeks ago, I saw a Conservative MP (the right-wing party in the UK) say they were "the party of the working class". I don't know when "working class" meant extremely rich bankers who went to Oxbridge universities and can affect Cabinet policies if they give the Prime Minister £250,000. Which was admitted, by the way.

 

You're absolutely right Mandalore. In the United States it's

 

Center-Right - The Democratic Party (vote for us cause we're not insane!!!)

 

or

 

Batshit Insane-Right - Republican Party (We're batshit insane and will destroy the USA before your very eyes!!!)

 

There's no where for liberals like me who believe in free speech, civil liberties, civil rights, war only as a very last resort, ect to go.

[VarsityPuppet 1,085]

Everyone knows that those poor rich people need tax breaks. They make soo much money and all we do is take it away :/. That's so unfair.

 

Yeah, people make a big deal about how ridiculously clashing both the dem and rep parties are - when in actuality, they're on the same side of the political spectrum. One's extreme right, the other, mid right.

[ZM90 100]

Everyone knows that those poor rich people need tax breaks. They make soo much money and all we do is take it away :/. That's so unfair.

 

Yeah, people make a big deal about how ridiculously clashing both the dem and rep parties are - when in actuality, they're on the same side of the political spectrum. One's extreme right, the other, mid right.

 

I blame the slide right on the batshit insane Republicans driving the moderates out of their party. Hell I think the only 2 moderates left in the Republican Party are Jon Huntsman and possibly Buddy Roemer. If the insane right didn't drive the moderates out of their party then the moderates wouldn't have become Democrats and thus the Democratic Party would not have slid to the right these past 3 decades.

[Mandalore 61]

The UK system is:

 

1. Labour - Pretends to still be left-wing, but after what Tony Blair did, calling it "New Labour", is actually right-wing.

2. "Liberal Democrat" - Pretends to be exactly wha their name says, but Nick Clegg entered coalition with the Conservatives and revealed himself to be one of them, making their name the opposite of their affiliation.

3. Conservative - The only party that doesn't pretend they're not right-wing.

 

We do have other parties, but they're not going to get any kind of say in anything (though after the Lib Dems' betrayal, they're going to cease existence in the next few years. Not that it will affect anything).

[ZM90 100]

The UK system is:

 

1. Labour - Pretends to still be left-wing, but after what Tony Blair did, calling it "New Labour", is actually right-wing.

2. "Liberal Democrat" - Pretends to be exactly wha their name says, but Nick Clegg entered coalition with the Conservatives and revealed himself to be one of them, making their name the opposite of their affiliation.

3. Conservative - The only party that doesn't pretend they're not right-wing.

 

We do have other parties, but they're not going to get any kind of say in anything (though after the Lib Dems' betrayal, they're going to cease existence in the next few years. Not that it will affect anything).

 

I feel for you Mandalore, we've got a similar situation over here in the USA.

 

Here's how it was 3 decades ago.

 

Democratic Party - Composed of true liberals and moderates.

 

Republican Party - Composed of true conservatives and moderates.

 

Here's how it is now.

 

Democratic Party - a party of mostly moderates, some more sane conservatives, and very few real liberals (Senator Wyden who stood up to internet censorship is one of the few who remain).

 

Republican Party - a party of conservatives and people who shouldn't even hold office with how much stupidity they spew.

[kyrie 17]

Ya the slide to the right here in the US actually started in the 60's how do you explain Nixon? It has gotten so bad here that Regan was more liberal than Obama is. The only way things will change here is do away with private financing of campaigns and have open primaries that way we get the best 2. Then we would see people in who will **** done. Can't forget term limits for all elected officials not just the president and govs.