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Context has nothing to do with it, in fact most of the audience between twenty and thirty had probably seen some movies sharing the same plot points, and its a bit much to expect kids to have not read story books about Princesses being saved and farmboys rising to greatness. Cliche means a lack of original thought, and most if not all stories have at least a few. Context doesn't matter in the slightest because all you have to do is take it from another story, regardless of its age. Star Wars just so happened to take a lot of them associated with fantasy, one of the reasons it endeared itself to me. Well, its not exactly about that. Take for example TSLRCM. Virtually none of the things it restores were considered canon, and the reason its not in the base game is because Lucasarts wanted Obsidian to complete it on a deadline. Doesn't that strike you as just the least bit unfair? And the assumption that we're saying the EU was crud is an exaggeration, we're just saying that it has a lot more issues then people make it out to have.

I remember quite a few movies following the same formula during the fifties and sixties. I wasn't trying to be patronizing and you don't need an in depth knowledge of the EU to be a big fan of Star Wars. You seemed to be wanting to continue the discussion rather then object to my tone, so I said lets continue this in PMs so the thread isn't cluttered.

Still seeming irrelevant. I was arguing cliched storylines, regardless of place in time. Though I understand your train of thought. How about we message each other or start a new thread before this gets even more off-topic? Technically it is. The idea of the Inquisitors have been copied almost exactly from the EU. So, essentially it is being "used." *Cough* Darksaber and the Suncrusher *Cough* Frankly, I see the whole superweapon thing as more of a problem with Star Wars as a whole then just the new movie. Come to think of it, KOTOR 1 borrowed a lot of plot points from the original trilogy. Probably one of the reasons I like TSL better, not to say KOTOR 1's bad or anything. I heard, (despite my best efforts,) that it was Han and Leia. Could be wrong though.

I think you've missed the point. Reused plot points are reused plot points, regardless of context. If TFA is doing it, its nothing new when it comes to Star Wars. Your opinion. Though I was more commenting on your statement that you wanted ALL of it back. A lot of people who say that, no offense intended, don't know the EU as much as they think they do. All together, about a fourth of the EU is good, while the rest drifts between mediocre and painfully horrid. And its not entirely gone, take Star Wars Rebels for instance. They basically took the idea of the Inquisitors straight out of the EU.

I tend away from discussions about reused plot points in Star Wars, (Previously I did it with EU material, now I guess I'll be doing it with TFA) because it all seems a bit pointless to me. Take A New Hope. It uses the granddaddy of cliched story-lines, (Farm Boy saves Princess from Black Knight/Sorcerer's Castle) and it worked very well. That's one of the big things that made ANH great, it took a story-line you'd seen and did a new spin on it. As long as TFA does this, (I haven't seen it yet) and does it well, I'll be okay with it. I don't mean to be rude, but some of the EU is... messed up. Take for example the Jedi Prince thing that technically was still canon. Apparently somebody thought back in the day that the jedi must have some weird monarchical hierarchy. That series also introduced the Emperor's three eyed, mutant son, (Frankly, I don't want Sidious and procreation in my mind at the same time; It makes me shudder.) I miss a lot of the EU too, but when people say they want EVERYTHING back, I just have to mention that.