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View File Stylized Portraits by Tinman888 These are beautiful portraits of the KOTOR PC and companions by Reddit user u/Tinman888 . This mod was made with the artist's permission. There's two folders in the Override - PC and Companions, in case you just want to use one or the other. As you can see from the preview, the PC portrait is one size fits all, and will appear as such regardless of your character's gender or appearance. I really loved the style of the portraits done here and just had to have them in my game, so I set about converting the images, and now you can all enjoy them too. Submitter DylanRPG Submitted 10/11/2021 Category Mods K1R Compatible Yes  

Thank you, that is what I did. I found a tutorial on these forums about how to edit the script with the footlocker. It was actually in response to someone who wanted to add something depending on class, which isn't what I needed. But I figured out to do what I needed to do. I changed the script like so: I then compiled it as k_pend_area_01.ncs and put it in the Override folder. In a way it was simpler to do than I imagined, but without the direction I would never have been able to figure it out.

JCarter, I sent you a PM. It's a link to a pdf that outlines my plans for this, and which parts I've done already. I appreciate the feedback.

"Yeah, I get that, but - if you want any sort of distinction at all (a name, a feat for just that class, etc) then they will have to be different classes, in terms of proramming. Even if you make them fundamentally the same. Then you've used up all the classes again. And by playing the same I mean you have up to four Jedi in the party, and currently they all have different hit dice, saving throws, feats, amount of Force points and powers, etc. And the player has the option to vary all this. With a single class you'd be losing all of that. Finally, the tabletop version has a nifty list of things in the talent trees that tells you what each type should go for, but we can't have that here. So I'd suggest some sort of administrative work on that just to make it clearer, because I don't think it would be very clear to someone who wasn't intimately familiar with them already." So - I don't want any sort of distinction at all. I don't want a feat for just that class. That class doesn't exist in this scenario. There's just the Jedi class. And yes, with a single class, Bastila, Juhani and Jolee would all be the same class. They would not, however, play the same. Because they would start with different abilities and different skills and different feats and different powers - simply because, they would be programmed to have started with different ones. Just like Canderous and Carth. "Finally, the tabletop version has a nifty list of things in the talent trees that tells you what each type should go for, but we can't have that here. So I'd suggest some sort of administrative work on that just to make it clearer, because I don't think it would be very clear to someone who wasn't intimately familiar with them already." I don't think the different "talents" even need to separated very much, I don't think it needs to be made super clear what each type should go for. I don't even think "should" is the word. I think it's no more complicated than updating the descriptions to point out which Feats and Powers are best suited to a Jedi following the path of a Consular who focuses on studying the force and diplomacy, versus a Guardian who focuses on lightsaber prowess. The whole "Consular", "Guardian" "Sentinel" distinction becomes not very important, and statistically nonexistent. It's just a theme. It's totally okay to mix and match them, it would just be a fun flavor thing in the description, no more significant than pointing out the Echani's part in making energy shields. "Having 7 class skills seems like a bit much to me, but when I play the second game I end up with everything as a class skill, so I also wouldn't complain about that. One thing you should keep in mind is that - I believe - you retain all your class skills from non-Jedi levels when you multiclass to Jedi." That's a good point. It should be much more focused. "Assuming you only want to edit their starting attributes, yeah. If you wanted it to level up you'd have to do it via script, and then you'd run into that problem. On that subject, I would definitely suggest editing their stats anyway because they are not consistent with the game's rules." Yeah it would just be their starting attributes. "Sounds like it would work, although it feels a bit weird to me to have classes affect attributes, given that's usually a racial thing." True. A shaky justification would be the lack of species choice in the game for the player character. But I hear you. I'll tell you this, when I first played KOTOR, on my old Xbox years ago (which I bought to play KOTOR on), the first thing I noticed when I went to create a character is that I had to be a Human. I was mystified. "They made a Star Wars RPG and I can't be a Wookiee?!" Players want to be Wookiees, and Twi'leks and Mon Calamari and Rodians. I know because-of-the-plot blah blah blah and romance blah-blah-blah, (and more importantly) a lot of extra work blah blah, but it's what players want and if I was really going to make a wish list that defied reality, that would be on there. "Play as Wookiees, Droids and Twi'leks!" the box proclaimed. But they were talking about your companions. Sometimes I get the itch to make a retro game where resources aren't so demanding, sprite-based graphics, and put out the KOTOR SAGA Edition I've always wanted, tactical combat, the works. But I digress. So, yeah, I think it's a good idea from a gameplay stand point, the ability differences. But it's not in line with the tabletop game. Pros and cons.

You were talking about the suggestion of the unused inventory slots for class-based attributes. This is very encouraging. Because - I don't think I DO have to look for some party members using those slots. For the party members, you can just edit their starting attributes directly, and account for the increases/decreases in your calculations.

I think this is what had me thinking about Attribute Bonuses tied to Classes, although this sounds like there's not an elegant way to do it. But it would make them distinct. You could easily specify the attribute bonus difference in the text at the character creation screen. What do you think? If Scouts, Scoundrels and Soldiers got Feats at the same rate, and the same number of Skill points (based on Intelligence), but had statistical differences, and retained their class-feats? I.e., Scoundrel: +1 Dex, +1 Cha, -1 Wis. The scoundrel is an agile charmer, but prone to brash decisions. Scout: +1 Con, +1 Int, -1 Cha. The scout is a knowledgeable survivor, but often aloof. Soldier: +1 Str, +1 Wis, -1 Int. The soldier is a deadly tactician, but neglects intellectual pursuits. And if we're still doing the Jedi classes: Jedi Consular: +1 Wis, +1 Cha, -1 Str. The Consular pursues knowledge of the Force and is less adept with lightsabers. Jedi Guardian: +1 Wis, +1 Str, -1 Wis. The Guardian focuses on lightsaber training and is less adept with the Force. Jedi Sentinel: +1 Wis, +1 Dex, -1 Cha. The Sentinel relentlessly guards against the Dark Side and is less concerned with diplomacy. Or if we're doing just 1 Jedi class: Jedi: +1 Wis. The Jedi is attuned to the Force, and is part of a larger world. [^In this version, the Jedi class doesn't have any penalties, unlike the non-Jedi classes. But this is balanced because the non-Jedi classes have 2 attribute bonuses and the Jedi only gets 1. Of course, multi-classing becomes advantageous, as the PC will end up with 3 class-based attribute bonuses. Seeing as the player character is the only one who gets to do this, this seems okay). There could be a datapad in the player character's inventory (the first footlocker) that explains the stat differences. Basically like a crew manifest type thing of the Endar Spire and what type of crew they recruit. And then the training computer on Dantooine could still be the method that fills the character in on Jedi differences (if using different Jedi classes). But the rate of progression for Feats and Skills (and Powers for the Jedi) would be the same.

I'm encouraged that a KOTOR Saga Edition sounds appealing to you. I have a long way to go before I have the skills to really pull that off. I think you don't understand what I'm saying about the Jedi class idea. I'm talking about 1 Jedi Class, not 3. The issue is not that the classes would play too similarly -- there would be only 1 class to play (as a Jedi). I don't mean sub-classes. You wouldn't choose one of three different feats. You could choose any feats you wanted. There would just be something in the description letting you know what kind of Jedi would take that Feat. It's just for flavor. There would be 1 Jedi class, and that Jedi class could take any Force Powers and any Feats available to the Jedi class. So - i am just talking about descriptions, with regard to "differences" between Sentinel, Guardian and Consular. It's an in-story difference, the same difference between (say) a "Mercenary" and a "Trooper". Maybe Canderous is a mercenary, and Carth is a Republic trooper. They're both soldiers, there is statistically no difference. Or a Smuggler and a Gunslinger within the Scoundrel idea, and so on. Going back to Feats. I did try it with all the Classes with the same Feat progression. At one point I had the classes with 1 extra Feat at first level (because they're Human), and getting a Feat pretty much every level. I ended up having no Feats just on the levels where you get Ability points. This felt really good, but if I kept going that way, I would probably run out of useful feats, like you said. In this version of my mod, the difference between classes came down to Skill Points, Hit Dice, Reflex Saves, and the feats you get automatically for your class. Another thing I did was give each Class the same number of Class Skills (but different amounts of Points). So every non Jedi class gets only 1 non-class skill. For Scoundrels the only Class they don't get is Treat Injury. For Scouts it's Security. For Soldiers it's Stealth. And then Jedi only have 2 Class skills to make up for their access to Force Powers: Awareness and Persuade. But every class can use Persuade. It's an idea. Maybe something to do would be to go in the other direction. Slow down everyone's Feat progression, but make it uniform. And then restrict more of the Feats to certain classes. This way what makes the class unique is still what they can do, and not how fast they learn different things. Some of the Talents from SAGA Edition can be adapted as active Feats too, so adding those in would go a long way. For example, check out these two talents, "Disruptive" and "Walk the Line" Talent from SAGA Edition, they belong to the Scoundrel's: "DISRUPTIVE: By spending two swift actions, you can use your knack for causing trouble and instigating chaos to disrupt your enemies. Until the start of your next turn, you suppress all morale and insight bonuses applied to enemies in your line of sight." ---KOTOR translation: ^This would be an active Feat only the Scoundrel can pick. I would make it a single-target Feat, and it would remove positive status effects on the enemy. The animation might be similar to a flash grenade, or maybe just some kind of aggressive character animation. The drawback of this Feat is that the Scoundrel can't move or attack this turn. "Walk The Line: As a standard action, you can do or say something that catches your enemies off guard. Any opponents within 6 squares of you and in your line of sight take -2 penalty to their defenses until the start of your next turn. The penalty is negated if line of sight is broken. Prerequisite: DISRUPTIVE" ---KOTOR translation: ^This would be an active Feat only the Scoundrel can pick. It would require that you had already picked DISRUPTIVE. This would be a single-target Feat that would lower the enemy's Defense and all of their Saving Throws by 2. If this isn't possible to code, than it lowers the enemy's Dexterity, Wisdom and Constitution by 2. Once again, the Scoundrel would not be able to move or attack when using this Feat. I'm thinking a good (and funny) animation for this would be one of the dance animations (definitely catches them off guard). So, it was stuff like this that I had in mind as far as Talent adaptation.

Hey JCarter thanks so much for the thoughtful reply. I did realize my mistake after posting this - for years I've been under the impression that KOTOR was based on SAGA Edition, and when I discovered that this isn't the case a lot of their design decisions have made more sense, particularly with regard to the Jedi classes, the Scout class (even just thematically) and Saving Throws and the like. As a result my philosophy has shifted a bit. I'm not quite as determined to "make it more like the tabletop game" as it is based off an earlier version to the game I fell in love with, as you rightly point out. If I go ahead with some of my plans, the goal becomes "make it more like SAGA edition". I really enjoy the results of editing item damages and cost to mirror SAGA edition, as blasters become far more powerful and vibroblades become truly a backup weapon to switch to when enemies come close, and the whole balance between Jedi and lightsabers and blaster characters and attack bonuses for hitting ranged characters makes a lot more sense. So that part I like, and I plan on releasing this simple mod soon. The increased costs of items will be offset by the player starting out with 3000 credits which is also a nice little boost. So I've become less ambitious about this, partly because I've realized, as you point out in a nice way, that I'm trying to "fix" an issue that isn't present. I thought about representing the Talent system with Feats, but without passives this becomes pretty impossible. The reality I came to, backwards as you rightly put it, is that without Talent Trees the chief way to make each class distinct is to change the rate at which they progress in different areas (skills, Feats, Powers), which is exactly what the game does. I tried setting the Feat progression to be the same across all classes and mirroring SAGA edition, but I dont think this was a good idea and again, it taught me why things are as they are. With so many less Feats in the game, the player picks them up too fast. And without a Talent system, the differences between Classes becomes about skill points, Hit Dice and a few exclusive feats. And this doesn't really make them different enough. I DO have an additional question about skill modding though ... can the formula for skill point progression or skill point allocation at level up be changed, or is hard coded? As far as Jedi talent trees go, if I did one class, I would probably not attempt "limit choices" per se. Not having Guardian/Sentinel/Consular would be about avoiding this very thing. It would be more about labeling in the description of Feats or Powers. After all in SAGA edition you're not locked into a Talent Tree - Talents Trees are just thematic groupings of Talents, some with others as prerequisites. So with one Jedi class a "Sentinel Power" or a "Consular Feat" becomes a simple guideline in the description to help the player make their decision. "This is a Power favored by Jedi Guardians" on Force Jump, that sort of thing. That's how I would do it. The Chronicler at the Academy would still ask you what color crystal you want and which one suits you, Guardian, Sentinel or Consular. But then Zhar would level you up to "Jedi" and you would be 1 class. And Guardian/Sentinel/Consular would become a thematic difference. It would make things more streamlined, but I would be taking away a fun moment for the player to make a choice about their class. And maybe that's not so good, I don't know.

Nevermind, I figured it out

So one of the things I've discovered is that I don't need to mess with variables as far as placing starting Credits in that first footlocker on the Endar Spire ... Because each Class is supposed to start with the same amount credits. This is 3d4 * 250. The maximum amount possible here is 3000 Credits, so I'm adding that to the footlocker. But I don't know what I'm doing, apparently. I placed the new footlocker file in the Override folder, and it changed every footlocker in the game to contain those contents (or at least - the footlocker in the Taris apartment was identical). So do I need to place that file into the rim of the modules directory in KOTOR? Or place it into the rim and place that module in the Override? I've seen tutorials about creating your own modules, but I haven't yet tracked down helpful instructions on just changing placeables.

I just want to add my amazement and say this work is very, very impressive and very, very anticipated.

Within the nwscript I did this: int SKILL_COMPUTER_USE = 0; int SKILL_DEMOLITIONS = 5; int SKILL_STEALTH = 2; int SKILL_AWARENESS = 3; int SKILL_CHARM = 4; int SKILL_REPAIR = 5; int SKILL_SECURITY = 5; int SKILL_TREAT_INJURY = 7; int SKILL_DECEPTION = 1; int SKILL_MAX_SKILLS = 7; Within the skills.2da file I did this: Row - Skill Mod Constant 0 ComputerUse INT SKILL_COMPUTER_USE 1 Deception CHA SKILL_DECEPTION 2 Stealth DEX SKILL_STEALTH 3 Awareness WIS SKILL_AWARENESS 4 Charm CHA SKILL_CHARM 5 Mechanics INT SKILL_REPAIR, SKILL_SECURITY, SKILL_DEMOLITIONS [blank line] 7 TreatInjury WIS SKILL_TREAT_INJURY Just in terms of how these relate to each other, does this make sense?

So I'm glad you can switch the places, but is it possible in the GUI to change the name of the Skills and their descriptions (meaning, as they show up in chargen and the character screen?). I'm not sure where to look to do that. If I kept the instances of SKILL_REPAIR, SKILL_SECURITY and SKILL_DEMOLITIONS, but in the skills.2da file deleted those skills and added "Mechanics", then set those three constants as the constants for Mechanics, is that a good start? I would also edit the nwscript.nss file to make those skill constants refer to the proper Row number. And I would make sure that Mechanics was set to a row number and placement affected by Gear Head. Is it the row placement that's more important, or the row label number do you think?

Edited: Okay, so I tried again. Your theory holds water. When I swap Demolitions and Persuade in skills.2da, the modifiers are correct. The Empathy Feat DOES effect the Demolitions skill in this case, so long as you put points into it (that is to say ... so long as you put points into "Persuade"). The thing is, at character creation the skill placements are NOT swapped, so putting points into Persuade is actually putting points into Demolitions, and vice versa. But I guess you knew that. Double EDIT: I'm an idiot. I didn't change the Row label after switching the rows. Hold please. Triple EDIT: Yeah, putting points into Persuade actually puts points into Demolitions after the row switch. And Empathy effects Demolitions.

I tried this out and the result was fascinating. I switched Demolitions and Persuade in the skills.2da file like you suggested. I made a character with a Charisma of 18, and an Intelligence of 8. I put 4 points into Persuade, 0 points into Demolitions and took the Empathy Feat. When the game started, my Persuade skill was at 0, + my Charisma modifier, for a total of 4. It did not recognize the points I put into it. Instead ... My Demolition skill was at 4 (0 + my Charisma modifier). Neither skill was effected by Empathy, although Awareness and Treat Injury were working perfectly.

Thank you so much for that info, that is very helpful. It occurs to me, for Talents, I could accomplish this by adding Feats. Talents in the tabletop game were not unique to the Jedi class - every class had them. So it would be about adding Feats that mirror the Talents, and then making them only available to certain classes at certain levels or with the rereqs. Jedi-specific Talents could be expressed as new Powers if they are related to the Force ... Some of them are already there, of course. It's especially helpful to know what's possible and what isn't, so I know where to spend my time. Your offer about the tutorial is extremely generous. It would be very much appreciated, but I also will understand if you don't do that. When you mention the game crashing with new classes - do you mean that when a custom class becomes a Jedi class, the game crashes? Or do you mean when a standard class becomes a custom Jedi class it crashes? With regard to the skill focus feats question (number 5 on my list). If I successfully remove Demolitions, Repair and Security and replace them all with "Mechanics" ("Mechanics" takes over the functions of those skills) but I can't change the Passive Feats of Caution, Empathy, or Gear Head, will that mean - effectively - that Caution AND Gear Head will grant a bonus to Mechanics? Or does it mean that Mechanics will not benefit from any of these feats? Thanks again

Hey everybody - I have an interest in modding KOTOR to more closely resemble the tabletop RPG upon which it is based (Star Wars SAGA Edition specifically). I've only just begun modding and am teaching myself. Some things have come more easily - I know how to change class skills, I know how to change Saving Throw progression, Feat and Force Power progression. I know how to change recommended Attributes. I've also edited the stats of all the weapons to mirror the tabletop game, making blasters far more viable, which is actually a feature I think others would be interested in. (I know this is done with the excellent Super Enhanced Mod, but the way I do it is not as crazy powerful, and it just changes the weapons that aren't in line with SAGA Edition). There's a few things on my agenda that are kind of bigger, and I'm not asking someone to unrealistically teach me everything. I just want to know, basically, what kind of work I would have to put in to make it happen. Some of it I think is a lot. 1) Starting Attribute Points. I want to change this from 30 to 25. The only work around I've been able to do so far is change the recommended Attributes to values that represent 25 points spent (this is done using the standard array from the tabletop game of 15, 14, 13, 12, 10 and 8). I discovered when I did this, the player can hit the Recommended button and then (if they wish) subtract all the points spent to get it back to a value of 8, and then there are only 25 points available to spend, rather than 30. But I'd like to have 25 points available from the start. 2) Different Skill set-up. In the tabletop game, there are many more skills. I'm not going to try to replicate them. However, also in the tabletop game, Security, Demolitions and Repair are all represented by 1 skill: Mechanics. I was able to go with Kotor Tool and search for all instances of SKILL_REPAIR, SKILL_DEMOLITIONS, and SKILL_SECURITY and replace them with SKILL_MECHANICS. I also put "SKILL_MECHANICS" into the nwscript.nss file, edited the skills.2da file and changed the maximum number of Skills to 6 (Use Computer, Mechanics, Stealth, Awareness, Persuade and Treat Injury). But of course, I don't really fully grasp how to edit the actual menus so the only effect this had was preventing me from completing the tutorial, because the first Security Door was not openable by my character or Trask, who lacked the Security skill. 3) Is it possible to allow choice of Class to determine Attribute bonuses? This isn't really in line with the tabletop game, I'm just curious. In the game only Species gives you different attributes, and Humans just have an extra Feat and an extra Skill at 1st level. 4) I want each class to have different amounts of starting Credits. I'm GUESSING the easiest way to do this is to put the starting credits in the container in the very beginning of the game. I think that even makes the most sense. But again I can't really figure out how to edit specific modules. Maybe I don't have the right tools at my disposal. 5) In line with #2, I want to edit the Skill Feats. I want "Caution" to affect Stealth and Awareness, "Empathy" to affect Persuade and Treat Injury only, and "Gear Head" to affect Use Computer and Mechanics. ALTERNATIVELY, I'd like to use a system more in line with the tabletop game, where you choose a specific Skill Focus. I.e., Skill Focus: Use Computer is a Feat. I noticed, poking around in Kotor Tool, that on some level these Feats actually exist within the design, but were not used. Can they be implemented? 6) Change starting HP. KOTOR kept very true to the tabletop game with the characters HIT Dice, with how much they gain each level. But in the tabletop game, at Level 1 they actually start with more Hit Points. The Scoundrel gets 18 + con, Scout gets 24 + con, and the Soldier and Jedi get 30 + con. 7) More Attribute improvements. In the tabletop game, every 4th level you get to improve 2 Attributes by 1 point each. In the video game adaptation, of course, you only improve 1 Attribute. Maybe this was because they gave the player more points at 1st level. These next two are pie-in-the-sky crazy ... 8)A new starting class. In the tabletop game, there was a non-Jedi class that was left out of KOTOR: there was Scout, Soundrel, and Soldier and Noble. I realize this would require a lot of extra work, including new dialogue. 9)Just one Jedi class. In the tabletop game, there is one Class called "Jedi". There's a system in the game called Talents that makes each class really unique. KOTOR did not adapt this. But there are three different talent trees, each called "Consular", "Sentinel" and "Guardian". This is where Bioware got the idea for 3 Jedi classes. And instead of Talent trees, they took all the classes and made them develop Feats, Skills, and Powers at different rates. I'm NOT going to try to implement a Talent system (although maybe that's possible with the Force Power system). Instead, I just want to make the Jedi options into 1 class. Again, dialogue changes, interface editing, I feel like this is very advanced. Thank you for reading and in advance for any thoughts/advice you might offer. I just need to know what kind of work is ahead of me, maybe which ones are the easiest to accomplish so I know where to start.

Hello everyone! Long time KOTOR/KOTOR II player here. I don't know if anyone else cares about this, but is there a way to actually see when you have scored a Critical Hit when it happens, without going back and looking at the feedback menu? I'm especially interested in a KOTOR 1 version of this. ​Has anyone ever made a mod that does this (makes Crits visible)? I've done searches but haven't turned up anything so far. ​I realize you could mathematically figure it out ("I just did X damage and my weapon only has a max of Y"), but it would be nice if the game distinguished these moments with larger numbers or different colored numbers and I would think this wouldn't be too much extra work.