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When is it a restoration? When isn't it?

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#1 Sith Holocron

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:55 AM

I was discussing a mod over on the KotOR subreddit when the following questions occurred to me: When is a KotOR mod an actual restoration? When isn't it?  How does the average person in this community make that determination? 

As that seems an interesting avenue to explore, I'll open this topic to you: What are the boundaries you would personally consider to make that determination? (Use your own words and arguments for this.)


There is another advantage to having a firm position stated on this as well: If and when you point out something that - in your opinion - doesn't meet your standard of a restoration, you can simply link to your formalized statement on it here in this very thread.

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#2 Durendal


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 09:35 AM

At the basest level, something that restores content that was cut for whatever reason. Whether the content was cut due to time restrictions, or the developers thought that it wasn't up to par or didn't fit doesn't come into play.

The line becomes blurry when it adds content that's made specifically for the mod, either to fill in gaps or simply expand on what was there. I consider M4-78 a restoration despite being mostly original, since it was necessary to even complete the concept.

The optional expansion for the Dustil Restoration, is entirely unrelated and I don't consider it an actual restoration (though I always opt to use it over the baseline restoration), because the added content is unnecessary to implement the idea.

TL;DR: If it requires custom content to complete, it's still a restoration. If it goes beyond that to expand on the idea, it becomes a mod.

#3 N-DReW25


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:57 AM

In my eyes a Restoration is when there are enough game files to make a mod to simulate something Bioware/Obsidian wanted to achieve, however, when they get too far and require to make new content that isn't what Bioware/Obsidian intended that is when it becomes custom content. Examples of "Not Restoration" Restoration mods include M4-78EP(Barely anything was left to restore so not wanting to restore 10 minutes worth of boring gameplay they made a whole lot of new sidequests for the mod to add life to both the mod and the planet), Sleheyron (Everything in this will have to be custom content due to the extreme lacking of cut resources to use), GenoHaradan Legacy (The GenoHaradan were supposed to be in the Jekk Jekk Tarr but have been moved to the cut rooms on the docks to fit in with the plot) and the Fragile Alliances falls apart scene in the Extended Enclave (That was supposed to happen after the GenoHaradan plot line on Nar Shadda but was moved to after the enclave sequence to give it some sense, also Sion was supposed to die at that scene)


Some things like the Black Vulkar Sublevel and the HK-50 Factory simply needed minor fixing and/or a few edits here and there to get it working (Though I'm sure the restoration teams of both K1R and TSLRCM will love to throw their 2 cents at me and say the words "minor" and "few" are a long shot away from what they really were). Isa the Sith Apprentice in K1R, in my opinion, was not worth restoring due to them having to make that awkward lying down NPC from scratch though I must give points for successfully restoring it. I also believe the Pazaak Tournament was custom content as well but that might be me not wanting to admit all of that was lying around in the game files.


I hope this is enough to add to this thread

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