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#1 Hassat Hunter

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:29 PM

For a few new lines which may or may not end up in 1.8. If not, they probably make a modification I will make for it.
The lines need to be translated in all languages TSLRCM is available in, which would be French (done), German, Spanish (done) and Italian.

To clarify the HK-Factory trigger;

* [You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

The second set of lines are for Malachor. Any suggestions for tweaks for English are welcome too, obviously. Only the non-bolded lines need to be translated.

* {Irritated, wondering why the hell the player is talking to him while a fight is going on.}Let's deal with the targets first, then we can talk. (gblmandalore121)
* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.
* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.
* I never went to the surface, only the sky above it. (gblmandalore084)
* So you have never been here before?
* The world is taboo to Mandalorians - we only came here when the Republic fleet gathered, and we knew it was our only chance to stop them. (gblmandalore085)
* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.
* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?
* I can't say I'm happy to be back here. But I believe we can do what must be done. (gblmandalore086)

Thnx in advance!

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 04:57 PM

FRENCH

[You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

[Vous ne pouvez pas vous rendre à la fabrique d'HK à votre gré; ce sera éventuellement possible quand l'histoire aura suffisamment progressé.]

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

* Non, Mandalore. J'ai besoin de ta connaissance de Malachor pour escorter mon équipe hors d'ici.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

* Non, Mandalore. J'ai besoin de ta connaissance de Malachor pour aider mes amis à partir de ces lieux.

* So you have never been here before?

(Since I have no reference who "you"'s reffering to, I write the frist one in case it adresses to one person and the second for the instance it is adressed to a group of person)
* Alors, n'es-tu jamais venu ici auparavant?
* Alors, n'êtes-vous jamais venu ici auparavant?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

* Tu es ici maintenant. Et j'ai besoin de toi pour aider chacun à se mettre en sécurité.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

* Tu es ici maintenant. Mais je dois affronter Kreia seul, alors j'ai besoin que chacun d'entre vous quitte les lieux. Est-ce que ce sera un problème?

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 09:47 PM

(Since I have no reference who "you"'s reffering to, I write the frist one in case it adresses to one person and the second for the instance it is adressed to a group of person)

That's to Mandalore... And; Thnx.
Now just 3 languages left.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 02:57 AM

Hah, I'd offer the translation of another language (spanish), but frankly, no spanish player would like to play a version I'd translate. And you welcome.

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 03:15 PM

[You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

No puedes visitar la Fabrica de los HK cuando lo desees; se activara mas adelante en la historia principal.

No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

No, Mandalore. Necesito tus experiencias de Malachor para escoltar a mi equipo fuera de aqui.

No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

No, Mandalore. Necesito tus experiencias de Malachor para ayudar a mis amigos a dejar este lugar.

So you have never been here before?

Asi que tu nunca has estado aqui antes?

(I'm not sure who you are refering to with these two lines below so I'll just write both possibilities. First one is speaking only to Mandalore, second one is speaking to the entire group)

You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

Estas aqui ahora. Y necesito que ayudes a todos a ponerse a salvo.

You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

Estas aqui ahora. Pero debo enfrentarme a Kreia solo, asi que necesito que todos ustedes se vayan. Eso va a ser un problema?


Keep in mind that I'm from Argentina and our spanish is a little different that the one they use in Spain, some tweaks may be required to make those lines match the original translation of the game.

I never played the Spanish version so I don't know exactly how it's translated.

Anyway hope this helps and as I said before some words might have to be changed to fit better into the game.

Edited by Hassat Hunter, 11 January 2011 - 10:31 PM.
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#6 Hassat Hunter

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 03:24 PM

Well, unless someone else is going to give us Spanish, that'll do.
Thank you for taking the effort to translate all that.

Now only German and Italian are left...

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

Hello,

Kotor 2 allows a joint venture of people who meet together and share some hope. But that's not at all a bunch of friends. Especially not two heads mature, charismatic and powerful as the Exile and Mandalore.

In the spirit of Kotor 2 and characters profiles, a mutual respect is needed that is translated into French, by the use of "vous" and not "tu".

I already modified many erroneous usage of 'tu' in Kotor 2.

MrPhil, do I have permission to make some amendments? Also, could you send me, if you agree, your other works (HK factory, and others if there is). Naturally, you keep the credit. Only the perfection of Kotor 2, for the Keeper of the Kotor Flame, is important.

Sincerely

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 11:32 PM

Non merci, je suis capable de me corriger moi-même.

Here's what ttlan had in mind:

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[You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

[Vous ne pouvez pas vous rendre à la fabrique d'HK à votre gré; ce sera éventuellement possible quand l'histoire aura suffisamment progressé.]

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

* Non, Mandalore. J'ai besoin de votre connaissance de Malachor pour escorter mon équipe hors d'ici.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

* Non, Mandalore. J'ai besoin de votre connaissance de Malachor pour aider mes amis à partir de ces lieux.

* So you have never been here before?

* Alors, n'êtes-vous jamais venu ici auparavant?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

* Vous êtes ici maintenant. Et j'ai besoin de vous pour aider chacun à se mettre en sécurité.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

* Vous êtes ici maintenant. Mais je dois affronter Kreia seul, alors j'ai besoin que chacun d'entre vous quitte les lieux. Est-ce que ce sera un problème?

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:19 PM

This is the line in ITALIAN language. For any question or other line to tranlsate, I'm here ;) .


* [You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

* [Non è possibile visitare la fabbrica degli HK liberamente; si attiverà successivamente nello scorrere della trama.]

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

* No, Mandalore. Ho bisogno della tua esperienza su Malachor per scortare la mia squadra fuori di qui.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

* No, Mandalore. Ho bisogno della tua esperienza su Malachor per aiutare i miei amici a lasciare questo posto.

* So you have never been here before?

* Quindi non sei mai stato qui?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

* Sei qui ora. E ho proprio bisogno di te perchè tutti possano mettersi in salvo.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

* Sei qui ora. Ma devo affrontare Kreia da solo, e ho bisogno che ve ne andiate. Questo vi crea problemi?

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:42 PM

And the german version:

* [You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]


* [Sie können die HK-Fabrik noch nicht besuchen; sie wird später automatisch ausgelöst.]

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.


* Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche Ihr Wissen über Malachor, um meine Gruppe hier raus zu bringen.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.


* Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche Ihr Wissen über Malachor, um meinen Freunden hier raus zu helfen.

* So you have never been here before?


* Also sind Sie hier noch nie gewesen?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.


* Sie sind jetzt hier. Und ich brauche Sie, um alle in Sicherheit zu bringen.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?


* Sie sind jetzt hier. Aber ich muss Kreia allein gegenüber treten, deshalb müssen Sie jetzt gehen. Ist das ein Problem?


One thing: Since I don't own the german version of the game, I have no clue how Mandalore and the other crew members are addressed there. That would be especially important for the last line. Continuity sucks sometimes. ^^
For now I took the spanish and french versions as reference.

@owner of the german version: Werden die anderen NSCs (vor allem Mandalore) geduzt oder gesiezt? Ich hab mich erstmal an den spanischen und französischen Versionen orientiert.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:33 PM

It's been a long while since I touched the german version (as most any mods don't work with it ;)), but I'm fairly sure that the 'du'-form is used instead of the 'sie' (the latter beeing much more polite and not really fitting in such a game IMO).

Here's how I'd translate the lines to german (german is my mothertongue):

* [You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

[Du kannst die HK Fabrik nicht aus freien Stücken besuchen; Sie wird im weiteren Verlauf der Geschichte automatisch ausgelöst.]
(maybe also 'Handlung' (meaning plot more in the sense of 'action') could be used instead of 'Geschichte' (which means plot more in the sense of 'story')

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche dein Wissen über Malachor um mein Team hier herauszuführen.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche dein Wissen über Malachor um meinen Freunden zu helfen, diesen Ort zu verlassen.

* So you have never been here before?

Du bist also noch nie zuvor hier gewesen?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

Du bis jetzt hier. Und ich brauche deine Hilfe um alle in Sicherheit zu bringen.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

Du bist jetzt hier. Aber ich muss Kreia alleine entgegentreten, also müsst ihr alle gehen. Wird dies ein Problem sein?


Note: This is by no means any critique of the version above. Language is a highly debatable thing. But Salamijoe raised the question of the du/sie himself and I thought it better to create a new version from scrach, rather than debating over what's to change of the one above and what not ;).

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 10:57 PM

Heh, not making it easier for me. But thanks for all the translations people. Now just to check with the team wheter this is TSLRCM included (and thus we all choice which German to use ;) or just a mod I have to make (in which case it falls on me 0_0).

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:28 AM

I'd go with Bob Tarr's version. (no offense :(

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:42 AM

Heh, not making it easier for me.

Hehe, like I tried to explain, the 'Sie'-form in german is a very polite form that is used in official language, when you talk to your boss, ect. But it's IMO totally unfitting for KotOR (exept maybe while talking to the Onderonian queen :().
I'd really check with the german vanilla game though, how the teammates are usually adressed, 'Du' or 'Sie' (although I'm fairly certain that it was 'du', but as I said, I haven't played the german version for maaany a year).

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:06 PM

Yeah, I know a bit of German :( (Dutch after all).

But it's the same with the Tu/Vous in the French version. Apparenlty you and ttlan conflict in the amount of respect that needs to be shown to Malachor.
I am not entirely certain on either, since they are definitely not going to a friendly state during the journey of KOTOR2.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 05:22 AM

There is something great in the distance maintained between the characters.

Even the agony of Atton, in the arms of the Exile, if it failed against Sion, do not bear the feeling of "familiarity" to be introduced by the use of "tu " in French.

Kotor 2 would be disfigured by a behavior of its characters which would be normal among teenagers, but completely forbidden between adults, all of which meets for the first time.

Tu is the familiar you, which demonstrates a certain closeness and informality. Use tu when speaking to one

* friend
* peer / colleague
* relative
* child
* pet

Vous is the formal you. It is used to show respect or maintain a certain distance or formality with someone. Use vous when speaking to

* someone you don't know well
* an older person
* an authority figure
* anyone to whom you wish to show respect

Someone in authority may use tu with you, but that certainly doesn't mean that you can respond in kind. You can try asking "On peut se tutoyer ?", but when in doubt, I tend to use vous. I'd rather show someone too much respect than not enough!


And, in Kotor 2, there is no doubt.

Even the exchanges between the Exile and T3-M4 are made with respect.

Only exchanges between Atton and T3-M4 might be on a familiar tone, or from a superior to a subordinate, because of the impossibility, for a thug, to develop a formal relationship with a machine.

But no. Even in an exchange where Atton gets carried away (the one that ends with Atton saying to T3: "Yeah, well, if I'm mean to you, it's because I care." - it's 003EBO_dlg\att3.dlg), Atton will use the "vous" to address to T3.

And I take the opportunity for correcting the French translation of this phrase, notwithstanding the VO :

  • 75724 :
  • Original :
    Yeah, well, if I'm mean to you, it's because I care.
  • Old translation :
    Qui aime bien châtie bien.
    From latin "Qui bene amat bene castigat." This sentence introduces a concept of friendship which is not at all expressed in the original dialogue created by Obsidian and do not exist at all in the relationship between T3 and Atton (ie pazaak game between them!).
  • Translation updated :
    Ouais... Et bien... si je vous parais vache, c'est que je m'inquiète.

We are in the Old Republic, just after the time of the Legend of the Jedi, in a world of knighthood and nobility (of heart, spirit and behavior)... with thugs, bounty hunters, assassins, Exchange, the Czerkas, the Genoharadan ... and conflicts everywhere... and Siths.

And do not forget, either, before developing the game, Obsidian (as all others), are required to propose to Lucas (and Leyland ...) character profiles for approval (and Mandalore is 63 (in Mandalore years (? - Mandalore Planet beeing of terrestrial class)).

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 12:09 PM

hmhm ... I'd really have to see some dialogue from the german vanilla game. I'd almost installed it right now just for that purpose, but then I discovered that my brother has the german discs at his place.

but I could think of another possibility. There is the ancient 'ihr'-form, that's not used at all anymore nowadays. but it would actually be quiet fitting for that time fo the Legend of the Jedi that ttlan speaks of.

Here's how I'd use that form:

* [You cannot visit the HK Factory at free will; it will trigger further along the main plot.]

[Ihr könnt die HK Fabrik nicht aus freien Stücken besuchen; Sie wird im weiteren Verlauf der Geschichte automatisch ausgelöst.]
(maybe also 'Handlung' (meaning plot more in the sense of 'action') could be used instead of 'Geschichte' (which means plot more in the sense of 'story')

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to escort my team out of here.

Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche euer Wissen über Malachor um mein Team hier herauszuführen.

* No, Mandalore. I need your expertise of Malachor to help my friends leave this place.

Nein, Mandalore. Ich brauche euer Wissen über Malachor um meinen Freunden zu helfen, diesen Ort zu verlassen.

* So you have never been here before?

Ihr seid also noch nie zuvor hier gewesen?

* You are here now. And I need you to help everyone get to safety.

Ihr seid jetzt hier. Und ich brauche eure Hilfe um alle in Sicherheit zu bringen.

* You are here now. But I have to face Kreia alone, so I need you all to leave. Is that going to be a problem?

Ihr seid jetzt hier. Aber ich muss Kreia alleine entgegentreten, also müsst ihr alle gehen. Wird dies ein Problem sein?

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 06:02 PM

German is my native language, too. And in my opinion Bob Ta'aar's translation is perfect.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 09:45 PM

Yeah, I know a bit of German ;) (Dutch after all).

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Ha!
You're Dutch?

I was just about to say it's a shame the game's not translated to Dutch by default, so that you would need me to translate TSLRCM's extra lines. Well, that's disappointing... ;)

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 10:07 PM

Dutchies hate dubbed content though... so they did just fine keeping it all english.




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