Mutilator57

35 minutes ago, HK-47 said:

They're having some of the cast voice their characters. I hope they don't plan to do that for all characters. There are two major problems: Tom Kane is retired as of this month (Sept '21) due to a stroke, and Ed Asner isn't alive. I could believe it if they had Tom do his lines before retiring, assuming he was even able to. But Ed...

Vrook's voice was iconic. Alas thus is the perils of remaking old games. Although I don't see this happening, they could always simply reuse the voice lines from the original if they were that desperate. 

2 hours ago, sEcOnDbOuToFiNsAnItY said:

I guess the era exposure is cool but I... don't really need this. KOTOR 1 works fine for me and I've custom modded it to my tastes. the only appeal it would have for me is if I cared about the vague rough KOTOR era being connected to the Disney universe, or to SWTOr. And I simply don't, on either count. Maybe if it turns out to be a remaster or somesuch it'll have something for me.

Agreed. I've played the originals with mods so many times that they've become the definitive stories. Any deviation, even in combat or appearance, just seems like unnecessary modern hype. 

2 hours ago, heyorange said:

Hi guys!

Small update here.

I made several new textures.

1. Korriban sith Sergeant, Sergeant-Major, Ensign with white harness (aka sith patrol squads of Korriban regiment)

2. Korriban sith Ensign without harness (for Adrenas)

3. Archaeologist uniform (brown uniform with shovel insignia instead of starforge insignia)

I hope you'll like it!

Here are some screenshots:

 

Been watching your work from afar and I have to say, your latest update looks really cool!

Personal preference here, but I think the guards to the Valley have too many colours going on (the one's with the hats). I'd maybe change the colour of their hats to match their paints.

1 hour ago, AmanoJyaku said:

I'm not sure if there is an answer that can fit all situations. I think it depends on the type of post. Many sites have a rule that a thread is somehow locked after the last post was entered. Let's say, 6 months. But, the OP or an admin could unlock the thread for whatever reason. Sometimes, a thread is locked by request.

Other times, a thread is locked because things got out of control. 🍻🍺🍹🥂

If this problem is recent and not something that happens often, direct action in the form of a private reminder might be most effective. If the problem appears for a few days, a gentle reminder in the most active posts along with private reminders and/or day-or-two bans might settle things down.

I agree, private admonishment is the way to go. Often (though not always) it seems to be the same offenders.

12 minutes ago, Oaks said:

I believe that the first season has ended? Can someone give their opinion? I am deciding if I am going to watch ot not.

Before watching it, I thought it was overhyped too. I'll say that I was pleasantly surprised because it's definitely a classic SW experience.

That said, some of the episodes were short (under 30 minutes) and there wasn't much overall plot development; it was more a collection of individual stories.

31 minutes ago, bead-v said:

Stumbled upon this by chance:

https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/a-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-sequel-is-reportedly-in-the-works-at-ea/

I have a bad feeling about this...

Great. It's not like the Old Republic era hasn't already been butchered enough by ToR and Disney. I know a lot of fans have been clamoring for a sequel for years, but I've never seen the appeal. It'll invariably disappoint, not least due to Disney.

Well what can you do after the raging dumpster fire that was TLJ?

I thought it was a fair attempt considering what JJ had to work with, but rushed to hell and fanservicey at times (and not in a good way like Rogue One). At least they explained (albeit unsatisfactorily) how Rey was such a Mary Sue.

Though I still think the prequels were bad, at least they set up an environment in which EU content had a strong basis to flourish. With this trilogy, I've not the slightest interest in the universe or any of the main characters.

In the absence of higher-resolution textures, these are pretty good. They are a particular improvement for the random NPCs who seldom have any recent texture mods done for them.

15 hours ago, bendarby24 said:

After Dantooine - Tatooine, Kashyyk, Manaan, Korriban. Korriban is best with the Revan reveal and added dialogue, also fits great with Brother Hood of Shadow

Mine's exactly the same, though if i'm playing LS then I usually switch Kashyyk and Korriban around. Why do I do the planets this way? Let's just say force of habit!

1 hour ago, Talyn82 said:

Though it's been slow going because of the mod I've been replaying K2 with the restoration mod.  The mod was 99% percent influenced by what Kreia, Mandalore, Dorak, Vandar, Vrook, and Bastila have to say about Revan.  It was from them were I got my ideas.  Also Atton who was with the Sith since the Mandalorian wars.  I will also take what he says into account.

That's a pretty good selection of people. Most people heap endless praise onto Revan (especially Kreia) so it's good you've got a semi-critical influence in there as well to balance things out (I'm talking about Vrook of course!).

Have any of Atris' thoughts influenced your thinking too?

19 minutes ago, Pwener said:

I've never been a part of a Star Wars community before so I thought I'd ask.

Does anyone know where's the best place to buy (yes, buy. No cute wink hinting that I want to pirate it) the Darth Plagueis audiobook by James Luceno? I used to go through it all the time on YouTube but Random House Audio cracked down and deleted most videos on it.

I know the obvious answer is "Audible" but I ask because there might be a better option out there.

And spare me the "Have you heard the tragedy of..." The only tragedy here is YouTube's copyright system forcing me to give money to Disney when all they're doing is dragging Star Wars through the mud.

I guess giving royalties to Luceno ain't bad though. Anyway, the audiobook.

Oh, and it has to work on an Android phone or tablet. I like cozing it up on my bed.

I know you've already singled out Audible but if you create a new account with a free trial, don't you normally get a free audiobook? That's how I got Darth Plagueis.

2 minutes ago, Pwener said:

Thank you for the reply. It seems like a loss not to upload fixed files for someone else's mods while linking to the necessary complete mod but trust that I will respect the rules.

That's the general rule. Unless I'm very wrong,  if you get an author's permission, it's a different story.

Personally I prefer the fourth one, but I think SH's idea is really great. Might be a able to give that useless Communications Room a function in K1.

Hello! Nice username btw lol

1 hour ago, Ebony Moon said:

Yes, you're prodding . No, I am not straw grasping. 

First of all, you're talking about devs and guidelines and other things that ultimately don't matter here. This thread is about Talyn's mod.

Second, it has already been accepted here on this thread that there is a Sith Empire out there. How Talyn is going to interpret that for the purposes of the mod, is up to Talyn. And, yes, there is room for play. How much of a threat is it? Is it the only threat? It's not a terribly mind boggling thing to use imagination to see a degree of interpretation. Talyn just may decide to go with what Avellone had planned. The point is that this isn't going to be swotor's Sith Empire. 

If you read all of the comments here, it's already been given what parameters Talyn is going by. He isn't accepting swotor retcon. Talyn is favoring the Exile as the Exile was shortchanged in the swotor retcon. You keep bogging down this thread with the intentions of devs, ruling that certain things are just guidelines, or dictating what is retcon or not. In short, I don't think you are here because you are interested in Talyn's mod, you are here to argue points that are in the process of being hashed out or have been already addressed, or will be addressed. You aren't curious, you are concerned with being right, right about hounding down points which are not the focus of this thread- to quote duty-bound to defend them. 

I'm done with this. If you want to feel that you are right, go right ahead. All the points you have been drilling I don't care about, really. You've been wasting your time. I'm here to support Talyn's mod, not to score points in arguments or justify my views of what I've seen in the games.

I think that's a pretty unfair (not to mention unnecessarily hostile) accusation to make; I've been entirely respectful. What's more is you're wrong. I ask these questions because I'm interested in Talyn's mod, because it is so different to the norm we've been fed. We've all seen so many ideas for a K3 but this is different and I like that. 

We all agree that ToR was a disaster and I am entirely interested to see the direction this goes. I think it is perfectly fair to ask how the mod will jive (if at all) with what we know from the games and what's been said since. If you want to impute impure motives go right ahead, but you'd be wrong.

As I've said twice now, it's his mod and he can do whatever he wants with it. In any event, I'm not here to argue. If I've upset anyone, sincerest apologies.

23 hours ago, Mutilator57 said:

If you think you've got a better basis for a new story, go for it.

On 9/5/2019 at 1:00 PM, Mutilator57 said:

But at the end of the day it's your mod. You include whatever you like!

14 hours ago, Ebony Moon said:

"A greater threat to come" is what I remember Sion saying. Very ominous if it was the enemy I thought at the time.

I had gotten the impression of another enemy entirely throughout both games, an enemy which would be more consistent. And, to be very honest, more impressive and interesting than yet more Jedi vs Sith. The Exile would excel against this one, considering Kreia's focus and training.

Unless they do say that the Sith Empire is a direct threat, one comment does not necessarily mean the other. 

Kreia: "There is a Sith Empire out there."

Sion: "The threat that is to come."

(I'm on mobile right now so I don't remember the exact quotes)

Unless the restored content ties the two together, the one comment does not necessarily mean the other, unless you are upholding what the devs have planned. Which I don't think Talyn intends with this mod. And neither does this make either Kreia or Soon liars.

I don't mean to keep prodding you (trust me, not my intention!) but I am genuinely curious. How did you get that impression? In my 15 years of playing these games I never got that impression at all. I'm actually keen to discover if there's anything I'm missing. Why would the game make pointed and repeated references to the True Sith only for them to be irrelevant/be superseded by a different enemy? That's what doesn't make sense to me.

You're right, a lot of what is said is deliberately vague. Nevertheless, these references are why the only impression I ever got was that the ultimate enemy was the True Sith:

"She said that the teachings here (Malachor) will lead one to the Sith...the True Sith...and all of their shadowed worlds." 

"It because Malachor, like Korriban, is on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the Sith wait for us, in the dark."

"It (Korriban), like Malachor, brushes the edges of the Empire that waits in the dark. And like Malachor, the Sith have forgotten it...for a time. They will remember. Revan knew this."

Yes, none of this is tantamount to a direct admission. Still, given all these references, I don't think the situation is as open to interpretation as you suggest.

14 hours ago, Ebony Moon said:

Now I haven't finished my current game with the added cutscenes- I'm at Malachor, but I do remember what Sion does say in the vanilla. Do they say outright that there is a Sith Empire waiting to attack in the restored content? Do they say where Revan is and what Revan is doing? A lot of what they say is open for interpretation, unless the restored content says otherwise.

Yes, they do. In vanilla actually.

"You are wrong. The Sith is a belief. And its empire, the True Sith Empire rules elsewhere. And Revan knew that the true war was not against the Republic. It waits for us beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it in his own way."

"Even the small one - who waits for you outside this place - I sense it has one last journey for you. You must go where Revan did into the Unknown Regions, where the Sith, the True Sith, wait in the dark for the great war that comes." 

I get where you're coming from, I really do. I just think that trying to draw any other conclusion is very much straw-grasping. Sorry to keep posting but having put my thoughts out there, I feel perhaps duty-bound to defend them.

 

1 minute ago, Ebony Moon said:

I'm aware of what the Triumvirate says- of course they are going to say the Sith will continue to be a threat. They are Sith- which is an opening for a sequel, of course. But that doesn't address the many other parts that are inconsistent with K2. It doesn't matter what the devs intended. What I am saying that the retcon doesn't make sense.

This is about what we would like to see, not what the devs intended.

 

So Sion and Kreia are lying? Ok, that could create an interesting basis for a hypothetical K3. Out of interest, what other inconsistencies have you picked up (other than Nihilus' hunger)? Your ideas for a new K3 story are very intriguing.

The only reason I brought up the devs is to refute the implicit argument that it was ToR/Revan novel that introduced these ideas. They didn't, they were present in TSL right from the beginning. Of course that doesn't matter if you're arguing that the evidence in TSL is either inconsistent or simple manipulations by the Triumvirate. 

41 minutes ago, Ebony Moon said:

This is about the continuity for the mod Talyn is making, which honors what we find in the two games. Personally I don't go with the retcon, I go only what is found in K1, not even all of K2's stuff. It is all "Legends" now anyways. 

Here's a rather scathing review about the retcon which does point out the inconsistencies 

http://theunion4ever.com/nerd-bucket/sbswa-old-republic-part-35/

even that reviewer acknowledges that the devs intended this all along. 

Hell, I even did my own take of what is left of the Sith Empire in my old Kotor fics written years ago. Not very many of them are Force sensitive and they are surviving in a quiet corner of the universe, hardly a threat. I wanted to portray them as a people who wanted to be free of the corrupting influence of the fallen Jedi who had dominated them for centuries. The had even cleaned out any other remnants based largely on what was fanon way back then before Revan came along and struck a deal with them. I had taken that cue from the hints in the games., but I tried to keep it consistent, or at leas make sense to me personally.

I think you're misinterpreting me. I'm certainly not endorsing or advocating for ToR's story. I'm simply saying that the idea to have the True Sith be the ultimate enemy wasn't an idea that ToR introduced and so can't really be called a retcon. It was actually something introduced in TSL and is well-established as a part of that game's ending narrative. It isn't even something that is heavily implied or left ambiguous (like the Kreia/Arren Kae connection), both Kreia and Sion flat out admit as much right before their deaths. All ToR did was expand and elaborate on what was actually said in TSL and the intentions that the devs had for K3. Now, if you guys want to ignore it or chalk it up to more of Kreia's manipulations or create a better story, then by all means.

1 minute ago, Talyn82 said:

Hey man thanks for your post.

But I might be bias since I am a Kreia fan, but it's been sometime since I completed K2 and I've never completed it with the restored content mod, which is why I am replaying the game with the restored content.  Anyway my point is I don't remember that quote but like I said it's been sometime since I completed the game.  The reason why I remember what she says on the Ebon Hawk is because I just went through that conversation.  But either way I think I picked an enemy old EU fans will like.  I just can't see how Nihilus's hunger could skip an empire full of Force users.

No worries. Most of this comes out at the end of the game which is maybe why you don't remember it. If you think you've got a better basis for a new story, go for it.
 

3 hours ago, Ebony Moon said:

But Revan never went there. 

Even Canderous mentioned a Sith Empire in K1, but it seemed he referred to remnants of Exar Kun's forces. And there's older Sith like old Jorak Uln in the Valley of the Dark Lords, who was apparently from the Exar Kun times- and had kept the Academy open. But we are reminded in load screens that the Sith as a species had died out centuries ago. So I don't get the impression of the Sith Empire that was retconned for swotor, and certainly not the magnitude of threat.

So still curious, I did a bit of further checking. Here's what Kreia has to say:

"And its empire, the true Sith Empire, rules elsewhere. And Revan knew the true war was not against the Republic. It waits for us beyond the Outer Rim. And he has gone to fight it in his own way".

I think the loadscreens are more of a general guide than anything to be relied on with accuracy. Further, those loadscreens also operate on the same knowledge that the PC has. To the galaxy at-large, the true Sith appear dead. That doesn't mean they actually are, even if that was probably the intent of the K1 devs. Clearly, K2 retconned this.

2 hours ago, Talyn82 said:

I am currently in the process of playing K2 with the restored content mod, and when conversing on the Ebon Hawk, Kreia says Revan met no Sith Empire.  Anyway Nihilus hunger would have driven him to the Sith if they had an Empire.  Like the Jedi masters on Miraluka, Nihilus would have consumed them.  It makes no sense how they could stay undetected from Nihilus for so long.  SWTOR's retcons will not be addressed in the mod.  

I'd be wary of what Kreia says. Remember, she manipulates you for the entire game. It's really only at the end that she finally comes clean as to her true motives. Your second point is interesting, but more of a plot hole than anything else. When it comes down to forecasting what unknown enemy Obsidian intended Revan to face, I think it's clear that the True Sith were that enemy. In addition to the dialogue in-game, devs have confirmed this was the case.

But at the end of the day it's your mod. You include whatever you like!
 

3 hours ago, Ebony Moon said:

Yep. It's been maintained in K1 that the true Sith had died out centuries ago and in K2 Kreia says on two different occasions that Revan did not come across a Sith Empire. To be consistent with K! and K2, the unknown enemy would have to be something other than Sith, unlike swotor retcon. Also, that means that Revan and Malak willingly went to the Dark Side, not tortured into it by some Sith emperor. Underscoring the part where Kreia maintains that Revan going dark side was a sacrifice, not forced into it. Besides, Kreia would know if there were another big empire of Sith out there. 

Unless I'm very mistaken, Kreia actually does mention a remnant Sith Empire hiding in the Unknown Regions when you talk to her at Malachor. 

My first thought: can Disney/JJ come up with just one original idea? 

Option 1 all the way. IMO it's better to keep the style of the rest of the game.

In the old days when mods used to be pumped out thick and fast my Override folder tended to become quite messy. These days I know exactly what mods are installed and in what order I installed them so I can track any incompatibilities.
 

I have it all filed away in a little green book

 

It's certainly been a while but I believe I've managed to install these two side-by-side before. IIRC there were some issues with the Appearance 2da file which I fixed manually myself. Other than that, there were no major issues.

I am planning to do a major playthrough (my first in a long time!) by the end of the year so if no one else has been able to confirm compatibility, I'd be more than happy to share my results too!