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Context has nothing to do with it, in fact most of the audience between twenty and thirty had probably seen some movies sharing the same plot points, and its a bit much to expect kids to have not read story books about Princesses being saved and farmboys rising to greatness.

Cliche means a lack of original thought, and most if not all stories have at least a few. Context doesn't matter in the slightest because all you have to do is take it from another story, regardless of its age. Star Wars just so happened to take a lot of them associated with fantasy, one of the reasons it endeared itself to me.

I find it odd how someone is on what would be considered an EU stronghold and goes on and on about how the EU was crap. Especially on what is for the most part a KOTOR mod site. 

Well, its not exactly about that. Take for example TSLRCM. Virtually none of the things it restores were considered canon, and the reason its not in the base game is because Lucasarts wanted Obsidian to complete it on a deadline. Doesn't that strike you as just the least bit unfair?

And the assumption that we're saying the EU was crud is an exaggeration, we're just saying that it has a lot more issues then people make it out to have.

No, relevant above all. My point was that it wasn't a cliched story, hence my reference and emphasis on context. It only seems cliched in retrospect because in all the years subsequent, these kinds of stories have become more popular.

I remember quite a few movies following the same formula during the fifties and sixties.

 

It wasn't my intention to start a 'whose the bigger SW fan argument'; it was your patronising tone which I was objecting to.

I wasn't trying to be patronizing and you don't need an in depth knowledge of the EU to be a big fan of Star Wars. You seemed to be wanting to continue the discussion rather then object to my tone, so I said lets continue this in PMs so the thread isn't cluttered.

Your point was that it used '...the grandaddy of cliched story-lines...' and thus took something we'd seen and it worked well. My point about the context was meant to illustrate that it actually wasn't something we'd seen, or at least, not something seen in that era of cinema and that's why it worked. It defied expectations.

Still seeming irrelevant. I was arguing cliched storylines, regardless of place in time. Though I understand your train of thought.

And am I to suppose that you are an erudite when it comes to knowledge of the EU?...

How about we message each other or start a new thread before this gets even more off-topic?

As for Rebels, you've got to be joking. I want the EU to be used, not massacred by its inclusion in this IMO sad-excuse for a television show!

Technically it is. The idea of the Inquisitors have been copied almost exactly from the EU. So, essentially it is being "used."

Also KOTOR was fine since it was, well, the first...

*Cough* Darksaber and the Suncrusher  *Cough*

Frankly, I see the whole superweapon thing as more of a problem with Star Wars as a whole then just the new movie. 

Come to think of it, KOTOR 1  borrowed a lot of plot points from the original trilogy. Probably one of the reasons I like TSL better, not to say KOTOR 1's bad or anything.

Hey guys can explain to me, who are the parents of Rey?

I heard, (despite my best efforts,) that it was Han and Leia. Could be wrong though.

If you actually look at the context of the 70s ANH was actually atypical of its time. The movies of the 70s were one's filled with antiheroes and tragic endings, ANH was actually the first of a new generation of films that reverted to the old monomyth formula.

I think you've missed the point.  Reused plot points are reused plot points, regardless of context. If TFA is doing it, its nothing new when it comes to Star Wars.

As for the EU all I can do is keep repeating what I have been saying, just because of junk like what you've mentioned doesn't mean it all had to be thrown away, that's the beauty of a creative universe, writers are free to take their own risks with stories. Sometimes they produce junk, but sometimes they make masterpieces. One need only look to KotOR as an example.

Your opinion. Though I was more commenting on your statement that you wanted ALL of it back. A lot of people who say that, no offense intended, don't know the EU as much as they think they do. All together, about a fourth of the EU is good, while the rest drifts between mediocre and painfully horrid.

And its not entirely gone, take Star Wars Rebels for instance. They basically took the idea of the Inquisitors straight out of the EU.

I tend away from discussions about reused plot points in Star Wars, (Previously I did it with EU material, now I guess I'll be doing it with TFA) because it all seems a bit pointless to me.

Take A New Hope. It uses the granddaddy of cliched story-lines, (Farm Boy saves Princess from Black Knight/Sorcerer's Castle) and it worked very well. That's one of the big things that made ANH great, it took a story-line you'd seen and did a new spin on it. As long as TFA does this,  (I haven't seen it yet) and does it well, I'll be okay with it.

Exactly. I would have preferred to keep ALL of it rather than throw it all out.

I don't mean to be rude, but some of the EU is... messed up. Take for example the Jedi Prince thing that technically was still canon. Apparently somebody thought back in the day that the jedi must have some weird monarchical hierarchy. That series also introduced the Emperor's three eyed, mutant son, (Frankly, I don't want Sidious and procreation in my mind at the same time; It makes me shudder.)  

I miss a lot of the EU too, but when people say they want EVERYTHING back, I just have to mention that.