Gimmick5000

eXtensive Dialog Overhaul v1.01 for KotOR 1.03

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Hello everyone,

I want to share with you my KotOR dialog overhaul project. It is a revised dialog.tlk file for SW:KotOR v1.03, in the same spirit of Kainzorus Prime's "PC Response Moderation"
Currently I am in the process of editing the dialog.tlk with all my (~6850) changes, so it's very much still a work in progress.

I initially installed Kainzorus Prime's "PC Response Moderation" (link) and that got me inspired to do a full spelling correction and dialog review, on all (almost 50.000) lines of text in the dialog.tlk.

I tried to stay true to the original lines, but some are different on purpose. But they always convey the same tone or flavor. 
Some dialog was so screamish or childishly simple. I don't have a degree in English literature but some dialog appears to be written by a child.
Note that (barring punctuation) I only edited PC response or alien dialog, because of the human lines being voiced over.

There are a *lot* of spelling errors in this game. You'd think they'd run this through a spellings-checker. It took 7 months but it's done and done (scratch that: I'm still correcting and changing lines actually!).
I did this purely from my head and the dialog.tlk so if I missed a point or certain context don't hesitate to tell me. Suggestions are also welcome. Please provide some screenshots of the lines so I get the proper context. (extra note: Now using DLGEdit to get proper context)
For all spelling I used https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary as a guideline. At the moment approximately 5900 lines have been touched in some way. Here is a complete list of *all* changes (Work in progress!)

I kept some of Kainzorus Prime's !/. changes, and furthermore I:

-corrected typos, misspellings and grammatically incorrect sentences. 
-corrected wrong, misplaced and missing punctuation.
-corrected words to use Star Wars spelling.
-removed leading, trailing and double spaces, and trailing enters.
-added omitted words.
-added a hyphen or a space to some words and removed it in others.
-made many, many changes for consistency's sake (check complete transcript!)
-rephrased some words and many sentences, or fleshed them out; especially in NPC diologue
-rephrased most [Force Persuade] lines into more like the Jedi mind trick.
-replaced some of the semicolons (;) to a comma (,) or a period (.) A semicolon should not be used in a continuous sentence. Some lines even contradict the previous one by using semicolon in one line and a comma in the next.
-replaced many, many cases of a hyphen/dashes (-) with a period (.) or semicolon (;) or colon (:), whatever was appropriate. There are common rules for using hyphens, I felt they were not applied there. (See https://writingcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/semi-colons-colons-and-dashes)
-replaced round brackets () for square brackets [] for some descriptive lines, or added them in some cases. BioWare was really inconsistent with those,
-replaced () for ** in case of descriptive sounds (burp, snort, ahem) and some interjections. I tried to make it consistent so I thought ** the best option. Excluded are actual sounds (like hmm, hmpf, raaaggh) (Onomatopoeia), which is sometimes written in Italic, but we don't have that. 
-replaced ALLCAPS for *asterisk* in case of emphasized (be it angry, stressed, or sarcastic) but not shouted words. It is not considered good practice to use CAPS for emphasizing words. Besides it is frowned upon, and we wouldn't want frowning. Frowning makes your face age faster.

Also:
-British spelling ("travelling, licence") and US spelling ("colors, rumors") are used inconsistently, I decided to leave it alone in most cases.

Check the changelog, you might be pleasantly surprised about some of the changes. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zIAkaJs0Gv3Y7ug_W8itAhLOyYYqojnY)

I hope someone else apart from myself will find this useful/fun/interesting.


Happy gaming!
--Gimmick5000

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Hello!

Excellent! I have myself authored something very similar and I will be glad to go through your change log and see if I have missed some typos.

Cheers!

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7 hours ago, Gimmick5000 said:

I hope someone else apart from myself will find this useful/fun/interesting.

Oh man, they looked fun [and educate]! I should have learned english from you, not BioWare, hahah. :cheers:

And happy gaming too!

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I am taking a very good look to all the wonderfully documented entries.

I noticed how you have improved the dialogue making changes to a few lines which unfortunately would no longer match the VOs (ex. "kidnapping" replacing "stealing" or "the entire fate of the galaxy" replaced by "the fate of the entire galaxy"). While I can appreciate how the text itself becomes better, I have myself chosen in such cases to let it go.

At 2406 I would suggest a "!" after "worry"-

At 2533 there is a typo (at least in the documentation): "to".

At 4118 typo ("yo" -> "you")

Entry 5346 appears twice.

At 6831 the correction is missing.

At 18397 "almost" is written twice.

At 19195 you change "loathe" to "loathed" but I find the original text to be correct.

At 19465 typo: payed -> paid

19543 has a double entry.

At 21287 self-righteousness -> self-righteous

At 21573 not going risk -> not going to risk

At 21808 want leave -> want to leave

I will return with more suggestions/questions as I proceed further. It will take quite some time.

Oh and ironically, in your post above, you have misspelled "omitted" *chuckles*

Thanks for your invaluable work!

Cheers!

PS It would have been much easier to be able to download the change-log. Perhaps you can consider allowing for it?

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On 3/2/2019 at 10:24 AM, Salk said:

I noticed how you have improved the dialogue making changes to a few lines which unfortunately would no longer match the VOs (ex. "kidnapping" replacing "stealing" or "the entire fate of the galaxy" replaced by "the fate of the entire galaxy"). While I can appreciate how the text itself becomes better, I have myself chosen in such cases to let it go.

Yes... I had some doubts about those myself. But... "stealing a son" ... ugh... 
Entire fate of the Galaxy is dialogue by Master Vandar, it could be that is was deliberately worded this way. I'm scrapping those lines.

On 3/2/2019 at 10:24 AM, Salk said:

At 2406 I would suggest a "!" after "worry"

Good point, I 've put a period there for now. Does he emphasize? I'll have to check.

On 3/2/2019 at 10:24 AM, Salk said:

At 2533 there is a typo (at least in the documentation): "to".
At 4118 typo ("yo" -> "you")
Entry 5346 appears twice.
At 6831 the correction is missing.
Oh and ironically, in your post above, you have misspelled "omitted" *chuckles*

Fixed.
And some other stuff. I'll upload v1.01 and make it downloadable.
Thanks for your input!

 

On 3/1/2019 at 5:10 PM, Kainzorus Prime said:

I approve.

Is it just for base 1.03, or does it also include changes made by K1R?

Thanks. I've kept a few of your punctuation suggestions, I didnt want to "borrow" any more of your hard work so I decided to rephrase most lines. Thanks for giving me some good ideas.

Base at the moment. Will take me some time to release. Still editing the dialog.tlk at the moment and when done I'll have to do a second check on the edited one.
Busy work week coming with little time 😕

Does K1R replace the original dialog.tlk? I will look into that.

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18 minutes ago, Gimmick5000 said:

Does K1R replace the original dialog.tlk? I will look into that.

I believe it appends additional entries via TSLPatcher, rather than just brute-force replacement of the file itself. But no doubt there's more stuff in there than vanilla dialog.tlk.

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On 3/3/2019 at 10:03 PM, Kainzorus Prime said:

 there's more stuff in there than vanilla dialog.tlk.

Ah yes. I'll look into it after the base 1.03 is finished.
I'm now checking my changes with DLGEditor, which I hadn't done yet. That really clears up some unclarities in context I had.
Adding more rephrased lines as well.

This whole project will take a while yet...

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Gimmick5000,

I am now at line 14000 but I don't seem to be able to download your new 1.01 version.

Cheers!

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On 3/7/2019 at 5:20 AM, Salk said:

Gimmick5000,

I am now at line 14000 but I don't seem to be able to download your new 1.01 version.

Cheers!

Fixed. Sorry. I'll use versioning better

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No problem, friend.

I am impressed so far with the quality of your work. You have my most sincere thanks for it.

Sometimes it is a bit hard to figure the right punctuation replacing the overused hyphen and of course there are many VO'ed lines that you have changed a bit and I do understand the reason behind it. I have been struggling myself about doing the same or let them be.

Cheers!

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1 hour ago, Salk said:

there are many VO'ed lines that you have changed a bit

I've used DLGEditor to go through all dialogue files but not every line is in there. It could be that I changed a line that is actually not "spoken" by the PC.


Am I missing a tool here? Is there a way to view who speaks what line, other than the lines in .dlg files? 

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On 3/13/2019 at 9:45 AM, Gimmick5000 said:

I've used DLGEditor to go through all dialogue files but not every line is in there. It could be that I changed a line that is actually not "spoken" by the PC.


Am I missing a tool here? Is there a way to view who speaks what line, other than the lines in .dlg files? 

Oh no, you are not missing any tool, to my knowledge.

There is simply no way (again, to my knowledge) to identify which dialog.tlk strings are actually unused. The lines you found inside .dlg files may actually be unused too. There is much cut content in the game. K1R is using an updated dialog.tlk I provided some time ago but I will recommend yours to replace it altogether since it is a vastly superior effort.

Actually, if you could just separate the mere fixes (typos) then I believe that version should be part of the Community Patch.

Cheers!

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Is there a link where we can download the eXtensive Dialog Overhaul .tlk file? I'm very interested in the dialog fixes you've all been talking about. Thanks.

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On 3/23/2019 at 8:16 PM, jjleppfan said:

Is there a link where we can download the eXtensive Dialog Overhaul .tlk file? I'm very interested in the dialog fixes you've all been talking about. Thanks.

Still a work in progress, it's not finished. I am currently in the 11.000 's (of49.000) editing the .tlk and still altering my edits and adding new ones.
After completing that I will release a 1.0 and do two full reviews using "let's play"'s for reference.

For the moment you can download the "changelog" which contains most changes. It is not complete though, I have done quite a lot of additions in the dialogues/banter and stuff I ended up changing once I put it in the .tlk

You might want to wait a week until I'm ready.
Check far above for the link if you want to sample :)

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