overhaul N-DReW's K1 Gameplay Improvement DEMO 1.24.0

A couple of questions: first, how far are you to completing this mod? And second, once you are done, will you consider doing a K2 Gameplay Improvement mod (with the obvious TSLRCM compatibility)?

5 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

A couple of questions: first, how far are you to completing this mod? And second, once you are done, will you consider doing a K2 Gameplay Improvement mod (with the obvious TSLRCM compatibility)?

How far am I? I am now at a point where I am now disappointed at the fact that I am running out of planets, this is an educated guess but I'd say in less than at least 2 years Lehon would definitely be done though once I do finish the planets obviously updates after that would fix the mods bugs that may remain as well as implement anything else which isn't "too planet based" such as reskins and item placements for example.

As for K2 Gameplay Improvement, I am considering it and it will be TSLRCM compatible though TSL has "problems" that K1 doesn't.

First off, in order to be compatible with RCM I need to use the NPC Overhaul style patcher though from what I hear Kain found a way to have the patcher install the mod in one go instead of 50 like it used to.

TSL has the "Attack of the Clone" issue K1 does but on a more severe level which means in order to have a variety of unique NPCs in one module GIT edits will be necessary, this isn't hard and probably won't break the game but it will be annoying none the less. 

TSL uses Random Merchant and Loot Drop scripts which randomizes the loot and as you can tell from the K1GI mod that isn't something I'd like to keep. I'd need to disable those scripts without disabling random medpacs and stims for example as of course, those would make sense to drop (An Onderon Soldier dropping Arca Jeth's Jedi Robe is an example as to why I hate random loot)

Plus there are a bunch of little nit pics I have with TSL that I just have to get rid of in order to make it an "improvement" never before seen in modding, I can do it but like with K1GI it will take time. I obviously cannot just release Demos as I have with K1 for the past 3 or so years for the TSL release so I may have to restrict the "Demo" to screens in the Gallery section or a WIP thread.

Hey, N-Drew, it's been a while since I was here, so I just wanted to know what mods you recommended using with the K1GI.

On 6/22/2019 at 8:59 AM, Domino5555 said:

Hey, N-Drew, it's been a while since I was here, so I just wanted to know what mods you recommended using with the K1GI.

At some point, I plan to integrate JCarter's TSL Jedi Robe by having his robes replace the Revan armour slot in the 2da (Meaning you still get the K1 Jedi Robes alongside TSL Robes, the player will still be able to obtain a unique 'Revan' robe of some sort though). I plan to use different TSL textures from the Force Fashion mod which has 40+ textures meaning the player can get a large variety of new TSL robes in K1 in addition to K1 robes.

So that mod isn't compatible and isn't recommended for the future.

Anything which is just a simple texture such as planet reskins are fine (As long as you don't install the Blue Endar Spire) though when the mod is completed (Which will probably be in less than 2 years granted nothing gets in the way of things) I will probably make a list of mods which are compatible and incompatible with the mod.

Are there any mods you'd like me to check if it can be used with K1GI?

On 7/3/2019 at 4:28 AM, N-DReW25 said:

At some point, I plan to integrate JCarter's TSL Jedi Robe by having his robes replace the Revan armour slot in the 2da (Meaning you still get the K1 Jedi Robes alongside TSL Robes, the player will still be able to obtain a unique 'Revan' robe of some sort though). I plan to use different TSL textures from the Force Fashion mod which has 40+ textures meaning the player can get a large variety of new TSL robes in K1 in addition to K1 robes.

 

So that mod isn't compatible and isn't recommended for the future.

 

Anything which is just a simple texture such as planet reskins are fine (As long as you don't install the Blue Endar Spire) though when the mod is completed (Which will probably be in less than 2 years granted nothing gets in the way of things) I will probably make a list of mods which are compatible and incompatible with the mod.

 

Are there any mods you'd like me to check if it can be used with K1GI?

Nothing in particular. Maybe Brotherhood of Shadow, seeing as you're using files from that mod.

EDIT: Actually, there are some mods from NexusMods that I'd like to see compatible:

https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/1198

https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/1282

By the way, seeing as many of your mods can use the TSL Patcher now, and this mod started before you knew how to do that, how come you haven't given K1G1 TSL Patcher installation?

Hey, um, there are a few glitches on Taris: I can't get a permacrete detonator (therefore unable to complete Matrik's bounty the LS way), the basement of the Hidden Bek base is unlocked (even when I haven't betrayed them yet), and even though I insulted Gana Lavin, she never shows up again with her thugs.

11 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

Nothing in particular. Maybe Brotherhood of Shadow, seeing as you're using files from that mod.

EDIT: Actually, there are some mods from NexusMods that I'd like to see compatible:

https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/1198

https://www.nexusmods.com/kotor/mods/1282

By the way, seeing as many of your mods can use the TSL Patcher now, and this mod started before you knew how to do that, how come you haven't given K1G1 TSL Patcher installation?

The Brotherhood of Shadow, whilst I am unopposed might conflict with my future plans regarding Bastila's empty slot which gets replaced in BOSSR.

The first mod, considering it has a tslpatcher it would most likely be compatible installation wise though it *may* cause an issue later on in the game, it would really need to be tested though. The second mod, absolutely.

As for why there isn't a Patcher in this mod, it is because this mod is being constantly updated meaning if I did use a Patcher I would also need to constantly update the Patcher making updates less convient. When the mod is done I will definitely consider a patcher though I am more interested in a TSLRCM/M4-78 installer as this mod is meant to be installed first.

5 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

Hey, um, there are a few glitches on Taris: I can't get a permacrete detonator (therefore unable to complete Matrik's bounty the LS way), the basement of the Hidden Bek base is unlocked (even when I haven't betrayed them yet), and even though I insulted Gana Lavin, she never shows up again with her thugs.

Thank you for the report, I am currently messing around with Taris at the moment anyway so these will most likely be looked at.

12 hours ago, N-DReW25 said:

The Brotherhood of Shadow, whilst I am unopposed might conflict with my future plans regarding Bastila's empty slot which gets replaced in BOSSR.

 

The first mod, considering it has a tslpatcher it would most likely be compatible installation wise though it *may* cause an issue later on in the game, it would really need to be tested though. The second mod, absolutely.

 

As for why there isn't a Patcher in this mod, it is because this mod is being constantly updated meaning if I did use a Patcher I would also need to constantly update the Patcher making updates less convient. When the mod is done I will definitely consider a patcher though I am more interested in a TSLRCM/M4-78 installer as this mod is meant to be installed first.

 

Thank you for the report, I am currently messing around with Taris at the moment anyway so these will most likely be looked at.

Honestly, I think the Complete Character Overhaul should serve as a basis for modding of characters and armor.

This new update is looking AMAZING! Can't wait for this to be 'finished'. 

I'm going to install this mod on a vanilla KOTOR build. After that, there might be a few more mods we might want to make compatible with.

N-DReW, I got a CTD when I tried to enter the Lower City.

13 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

N-DReW, I got a CTD when I tried to enter the Lower City.

Seriously? I'll take a look at it, can you confirm whether any Twilek NPCs you saw in the Upper City had normal necks and human ears? This will let me know whether or not it is the result of a Twilek head that breaks the game.

This is 1.21.0 on a vanilla install right? Because I remember a very similar bug in 1.20.0 regarding corrupted Twilek files.

7 hours ago, N-DReW25 said:

Seriously? I'll take a look at it, can you confirm whether any Twilek NPCs you saw in the Upper City had normal necks and human ears? This will let me know whether or not it is the result of a Twilek head that breaks the game.

 

This is 1.21.0 on a vanilla install right? Because I remember a very similar bug in 1.20.0 regarding corrupted Twilek files.

This is a vanilla build with 1.21.0. I didn't really pay attention to the Twi'leks. I'll reload my save from just before I entered the Lower City.

15 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

This is a vanilla build with 1.21.0. I didn't really pay attention to the Twi'leks. I'll reload my save from just before I entered the Lower City.

I'm going to install 1.21.0 in a vanilla build as well so I might be able to see what the issue is as it may not have been present in my testing build.

16 hours ago, N-DReW25 said:

I'm going to install 1.21.0 in a vanilla build as well so I might be able to see what the issue is as it may not have been present in my testing build.

Wait, you're saying that you didn't test it in a vanilla build? What other mods did you use?

11 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

Wait, you're saying that you didn't test it in a vanilla build? What other mods did you use?

I did test it in the vanilla build but my testing build had other experimental content in it which I am still working on (Aka content three updates ahead of this one).

Oddly, the Lower City works perfectly fine in the test build yet crashes in the released build. From my investigation it is most likely the result of some sort of model error, most likely the Twileks. When I find the error I hope to update this mod with a quick bug fix patch immediately.

@Domino5555Great News! I have found the bug, and it didn't technically have anything to do with the Lower City. It turns out I messed up the models for the new Vulkar Shock Stick, because it was broken and NPCs in the Lower City held the Shock Stick the model was responsible for breaking the Lower City.

I am updating the build as I type this.

What changes have you made to the endgame of KOTOR 1? I wanted to use 

On 11/9/2019 at 7:51 AM, Domino5555 said:

What changes have you made to the endgame of KOTOR 1? I wanted to use 

 

I don't intend to use that scene, you can safely use that mod in future updates.

I'm also planning on using several mods from DarthParametric. Most of these are mere visual fixes, but there are a few I am concerned about in regards to compatibility.

On 11/12/2019 at 5:22 AM, Domino5555 said:

I'm also planning on using several mods from DarthParametric. Most of these are mere visual fixes, but there are a few I am concerned about in regards to compatibility.

Mod Number 1:

I'm willing to say that my mod, in terms of the files that mod edits, would be treated the same as the NPC Overhaul.

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Since it has come up in the comments, Kainzorus Prime's NPC Overhaul Mod is compatible, but ONLY if you install it before installing this mod (KP's mod will forcibly overwrite any and all module files, so install it before anything).

Simply install my mod first and then DP's mod on top and it should work perfectly.

Mod Number 2:

Now I'm confident I didn't mess with the Kashyyyk on-enter script so that shouldn't be a worry, it appears to be the same case as the first mod.

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If you are using a mod that forcibly overwrites MOD files (like NPC Overhaul), make sure you install that mod first. This mod will patch a pre-existing kas_m24aa.mod in the Modules folder.

Mod Number 3:

At the current moment, I haven't edited anything this mod has edited so that one should be good. I *may*, at some point, want to replicate some of DPs fixes from the Leviathan into this mod though that would probably just be it.

Mod Number 4:
This is probably the one that won't be compatible. While my mod doesn't change the duel ring visually it relies heavily on dialogue modification. I do think a compatibility patch would have to be released for these two mods

Mod Number 5: 

This mod I am confident will be incompatible with my mod due to my modification of the Jedi Robe uti files and the implementation of TSL Jedi Robes alongside the K1 Jedi Robes.

If @DarthParametric would like to add anything to this feel free.

Diversified Jedi Captives has a compatibility patch for JC's TSL robes in K1 mod, if that is the source of the robe change. And it is only for the optional extra of the Jedi on Dantooine, since the master required a custom model to get the animation used. If there's some additional difference, a further compatibility patch would be possible, or just don't install that optional component and it would be fine as-is.

10 hours ago, N-DReW25 said:

 

Mod Number 1:

I'm willing to say that my mod, in terms of the files that mod edits, would be treated the same as the NPC Overhaul.

Simply install my mod first and then DP's mod on top and it should work perfectly.

 

Mod Number 2:

Now I'm confident I didn't mess with the Kashyyyk on-enter script so that shouldn't be a worry, it appears to be the same case as the first mod.

 

Mod Number 3:

At the current moment, I haven't edited anything this mod has edited so that one should be good. I *may*, at some point, want to replicate some of DPs fixes from the Leviathan into this mod though that would probably just be it.

 

Mod Number 4:
This is probably the one that won't be compatible. While my mod doesn't change the duel ring visually it relies heavily on dialogue modification. I do think a compatibility patch would have to be released for these two mods

 

Mod Number 5: 

This mod I am confident will be incompatible with my mod due to my modification of the Jedi Robe uti files and the implementation of TSL Jedi Robes alongside the K1 Jedi Robes.

 

If @DarthParametric would like to add anything to this feel free.

I take it that his Movie-Style Rakatan Holograms mod won't work either.

15 hours ago, Domino5555 said:

I take it that his Movie-Style Rakatan Holograms mod won't work either.

From the looks of it, I can't tell whether or not the .mod files would merge with other .mod files. I'd say, install my mod first and then the MSRH mod though I'd suggest you wait for DP to confirm the details.

It could be a simple model replace mod, where as the Hologram model is the only thing changed though again DP would know for sure.

On 11/13/2019 at 6:55 PM, DarthParametric said:

Diversified Jedi Captives has a compatibility patch for JC's TSL robes in K1 mod, if that is the source of the robe change. And it is only for the optional extra of the Jedi on Dantooine, since the master required a custom model to get the animation used. If there's some additional difference, a further compatibility patch would be possible, or just don't install that optional component and it would be fine as-is.

I am sure my mod didn't use JCarter's robe model, unfortunately, in addition to not using JCarter's robe model I also made the TSL Robes replace the Revan armor model so that I could have both K1 Robes and TSL Robes at the same time.

So far, only the master robe uti files are TSL robes while Jedi and Jedi Knights robes use the K1 models, I'm confident a K1GI patch which swaps out any master robes with the K1 Jedi Knight and Jedi Robe item would fix any conflicts in that area.

The Rakatan hologram mod has changed a bit in v1.1. The original version was just a simple model replacement, so it was only a MDL/MDX and some textures in the Override. Version 1.1 added some module-specific changes. The Kashyyyk Lower Shadowlands gets a GIT edit to adjust the position of its hologram. The Unknown World Elder's Compound gets some more extensive changes, since the hologram is now projected above the computer rather than just standing in the corridor behind the party. That required both GIT (a waypoint adjustment and added static cameras) and DLG changes, as well as an edit of the room model. GIT compatibility shouldn't be an issue outside of hard module overwrites, but if someone is dumping unk42_redcomp.dlg in the Override than that will be a problem.

For the Dantooine master,  UTI or appearance.2da changes are irrelevant since it doesn't rely on any of the player stuff. It uses a custom full body model with a custom appearance.2da row. The primary issue is whether you have changed the supermodels, since TSL robes require TSL animations (hence the compatibility patch for JC's robes mod). Textures may also be an issue, but that's an easy solve.