CAUTION: TOXIC WASTE
I hate TLJ.
Luke Skywalker... pathetic...
1) Luke cuts himself off from the Force. I'm sorry but when are you able to do that? F*****ng stole that****** from TSL. The Exile only lost connection to the Force because of Malachor, we all know what happened there. It wasn't just losing a few students to a hormonal Darth Vader wannabe.
2) Mark Hamil hated Luke Skywalker in TLJ, because he was killing a heroic legend of character to be replaced by a moody wannabe Grey Jedi. I feel the same way.....
3) Luke does not care that the galaxy is suffering from his mistake and doesn't man up, that is pathetic.
4) Luke never trains Rey, though she seems to only be getting better at weilding the Force and lightsabers.....
5) Luke blames religion, instead of manning up for his failures. On top of that jedi "religion" what??!??! There was the Jedi Order, it was a philosophy, not a RELIGION.
6) 50% of that movie was watching and old Luke mope. I could not have been more bored by a movie, if I was jetlagged and had the flu.
7) Han dies. Luke doesn't care. Leia is going to die. Luke doesn't care. The galaxy is going to ruled by the Sith. Luke doesn't care.
8) Force ghost at the end? Then human form, then force ghost again? Instead of good lightsaber battle, just a smoke and mirrors illusion trick. Really Disney that's the best you got?
9) Luke didn't have an original ending, he'll just be force ghost training Rey... just like old Ben. Very original, much wow.
10) Luke blames the Jedi for all his problems and decides the galaxy is better off without them, though the Jedi *he* and his Father saved the galaxy by defeating the Empire, the first Death Star, and the emperor.
1) Never trained by any Jedi, still able to make Kylo Ren look bad by constantly besting him in whatever fight.
2) Has access to ancient Jedi knowledge to learn about becoming a Jedi, but chooses to never read them.
3) When did Rey receive military training or combat training with a vibrosword/lightsaber? Last I remember, she just wielded a quarterstaff. Just like TFA, why is she so skilled with the lightsaber? Prequels aside with years of jedi training, even Luke had to take time to learn to fight with a lightsaber.
4) Rey escaping from the First Order flagship in Snoke's personal ship. The scene shifts from both of them force pushing each other, to Kylo Ren beign FOrce Pushed onto the DECK of the Flagship. I'm sorry did he just go through a few dozen walls??!! Then he gets up and says, Rey left in Snoke's ship? As in just now, while you were being force pushed? Why don't we shoot that down? Later she is shown in the Falcon, where is Snoke's ship!? Couldn't we picked up more rebels with another ship?
5) Rey is infatuated with the Jedi, even after seeing the last jedi betray one of his apprentices out of "fear." What is so great about the Jedi that she's seen, everything in the movie points to how lame the Jedi are. Where is her motivation, as a character, coming from to become a Jedi?
What does she see in Jedi that make her want to so desperately be one?
6) Rey commands the Force to save everyone at the end. A few explosives would have done the job just fine, easily removing a couple of rocks. Really people, do we need the FOrce to save us everytime the good guys run into trouble?
7) Rey gives into the Darkside without a moment's hesitation. Good thing the great "darkness" Luke was talking about wasn't anything at all.
8) Rey is referred to as Kylo Ren's equal in raw power, but seems to be best him or counter him, without any training.
9) Rey is magically picked up by the Falcon, even though there is a First Order fleet above.
1) Wannabe Darth vader, decides he CANNOT actually be as good as his father, once Snoke points that out, so instead of rising to his high standards competely destroys them. I cannot be darth vader's successor, might as well give up. Lame, lame, lame. His character doesn't develop here, it merely ruins whatever development they had.
2) The scene when he destroys his helmet carries no emotional weight. It should be been extended and had its own soundtrack. It was 2 seconds, and I didn't care at all.
3) Kylo Ren has not finished his training under Luke, nor under Snoke. He's going to be a trash Sith, but good for him the Jedi, Rey, is just as bad.
4) Kylo Ren has a force vision about Rey's parents, that makes him believe she'll be turned to the Dark side. How does that make sense? It confirms that she has no ties to be a jedi at least, once again begging the question of why does Rey care to be a jedi. Still, why would she join Kylo Ren. Her father figure, Han Solo, was killed by this guy.
5) He couldn't actually defeat his master Snoke... he had to trick him, once again a lesser Sith kills a more powerful Sith, and the Sith suffer because of it. And I miss out on a great lightsaber battle... and instead get star wars Red guards anime reboot with all new ***** weapons.
6) Those Red Imperial Guard cheap Disney knockoffs, looked like children's toys and their weapons were as far from star wars as possible. That entire fight scene played out terribly, reminding you just how bad of duelist both Rey and Kylo are. Both of them had trouble killing the guards to Snoke, imagine if Snoke had actually fought them?
7) His acquisition of leadership was poorly done. Since no other First Order leadership has been shown, I really cannot say much. But it seems foolish to think that a brainwashed society loyal to (never explained what they are loyal to), would just follow Kylo Ren as the new supreme leader. Vader commanded the fear and respect of those under him. The Emperor respected, feared, and revered even by his Imperial subjects. Kylo Ren just feared, because nobody knows if he's going to throw a fit like a child and break stuff again. Even the general, was not sure what to do and had to be force choked to admit Kylo was the new supreme leader.
Plot wise: Snoke was actually a great character, they killed him right when he was awesome, just for a twist...
His comments about Rey and Kylo were well said.
Killing off Phasma was a terrible idea, once again killing the Empire/First Order narration of Star Wars. I hated her character, because of how pathetic they made her out to be, she was beaten in every fight and never did anything of value. Her death just means that First Order troopers are still canon fodder that no one will care about unless they become "good guy rebels."
Why the ******** did the Dreadnaught at the beginning not have any shields?
Since when can 1 starfighter take down over 12 turrents that are designed to destroy fighters.
Does nobody in the First Order use Tie-fighters to defend against incoming enemy fighters like they did in original trilogy!?
Because I"ve played Empire At War, I can only marvel at the incompetence of 1) having a GENERAL command a fleet, 2) not having a single admiral, 3) not deploying fighters to engage and destroy the transports, 4) not moving your Super Star Destroyers into place to attack the Resistance's ships, 5) not deploying bombers to attack their ships, 6) not having SHIELDS on the DREADNOUGHT, 7) that one bomber payload shouldn't be able to kill over 2,000 men and a capital ship, 8) does the First Order have a very low amount of fighters, because they didn't send ******* out, even though they had over 4 capital ships with a crew of about 2k each, 9) Snoke should have killed the General for losing the DREADNOUGHT, Darth Vader would have.
I was beyond ********** outraged at the first five minutes of this movie, at least it was boring afterwards so I could settle down.
The Rebel fleet were jumped by the First Order, but somehow managed to outrun them?
In ROTJ, the Rebel fleet was overall more mobile than the Star Destroyers, but they couldn't outrun them. This is rediculous. Do you remember ANH? Where Darth Vader in a Star Destroyer hunted down Leia's ship, keeping pace with it! That was a correlian frigate and it was by far faster than the Mon Calamari capital ship...
Tie fighters, bombers? Ever heard of those? Deploy them to harass and destroy the rebel fleet, I won't buy the ******************** that the fighters would be "too far from the ships" as said in the movie.
Later on, the stealth ships are fired upon, WHERE IS THE ADMIRAL? What is she doing? Once again watching and waiting? That women is a terrible admiral, if it were me I would have immediately positioned my ship to obstruct the line of fire and save my transports from being gunned down!
Furthermore, like HH said, jump to lightspeed into ships, that's low and dirty. Though, it was impossible in the original trilogy because of the Interdictor Destroyer, which stopped ships from jumping into lightspeed. Admiral Thrawn used them in Rebels, so they are still canon. So I cannot completely throw that concept out, I just hated how it managed to hit several star destroyers who had been doing nothing that entire time.
Why did the Terrible Vice Admiral Failure not inform the crazy pilot commander about her plan, that was a gross miscommunication that almost ended up in catastrophic failure. That was simply to add drama and justify going to that ****** planet/straight out of a James Bond movie Bar scene.
That entire planet side quest during the movie did not feel star wars at all, and those guards were.... I have no words... just so bad...
Leia uses the force to save herself, just another slap in the face telling you she would have made a better Jedi than Luke, and wouldn't have attacked her own son as well....
The scene when Finn is about to be killed, switches rapidly to hundreds of FO troopers dying and Phasma who was 5 feet from him, ends up 40 yards away for a dramatic re-entrance... Ever trooper is pathetically killed by B-88 in a Disney-invincible-main-characters-kill-everyone way, nobody could shoot a large circle 20 feet above their heads? What do FO troopers use for TARGET PRACTICE!
Did the FO lose all their ships and bombers? Could they not bomb the ********************* out of the small rebel base on that Not-Hoth, certainly not ripping off both ROTJ and ESB, instead of just ANH... Could they not damage their communications and just starve them out?
Could they not bombard them from orbit like in Star Wars Rebels?
Why did they need "DEATH STAR TECHNOLOGY" for a "LASER RAM." You heard me LASER RAM, really? Just "fire for maximum effect" with your terrible remakes of ATAT to blast a hole into that door. Their ***** new ATAT sounded like a modern gun and less like a star wars laser....
How was FINN able to carry his girlfriend all the way back to the base without being blasted to peices by all of the ATATs, tie-fighters, and troops?
Commander Poe's justification that they could find a way out, if Luke found a way in. Was hilarious in hindsight, good thing for those crystal creatures... >,<
Luke talking to Leia about killing her son was total BS, was just going to Force ghost in and force ghost out. He wasn't going to physically harm her.. you could argue that he was speaking of the future when he would "train" Rey to defeat Kylo, but still that was lame scene.
Snoke is never explained. Who is he? Where did he come from? Why is he alive?
I don't even remember the soundtrack, until they used one of the themes from the original trilogy.
In the end, it didn't feel like a star wars movie. Jedi Vs Sith. Evil Vs Good. Nope, not at all.
Just too much non-sense thrown in there, trying to do the Grey Jedi route but failing terribly, trying to make the Jedi cool again but failing, and trying to remake the Sith with Kylo Ren disavowing them and the Empire but failing. Not to mention killing off the Resistance entirely, only for them to have "allies in the outer Rim," and be happily outnumbered by the FO. This should have been a depressing ending, or at least carry some emotional tone other than bliss that they are building a rebellion again...
The only character I liked in the movie was Snoke, and they killed him.
Disney continues to ruin Star Wars...