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#1 zbyl2

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:36 PM

No-spoiler version: it was GREAT, I'm seriously impressed how good it was, I can't even be snarky about the movie any more, at some point it just blew me away but all the plot twists, the way it handled the Force and the Jedi, all that. I wasn't excited about the movie at all but I ended up loving it.

 

Anyway I started this thread so we can have spoiler discussions without cluttering the pre-release one.

 

Longer version of my thoughts as the movie progressed:

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Kylo needs his own badass music theme, like the Imperial March for Vader.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:47 PM

Agreed. Saw it yesterday myself (I live in NZ so the films been out for nearly a day now xD) and I have to say. This is a great film. I have been rather critical of Disney's first two star wars films but this film really hit the spot. Think I may have to rewatch it sometime today or tomorrow because it was that great
 


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:25 PM

I've seen it twice now and sadly I can't really agree with you. The thing is . . . I don't even know why.

I really like most of the things it does - but for some reason - it doesn't quite catch me emotionally as a whole even though single scenes do just that.

Maybe it'll grow upon me over time or maybe it won't. In any case, it's a courageous movie and for that, I really appreciate it.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:40 PM

 The movie tried too hard to be funny, most of the jokes had me wanting to facepalm. Another thing I hated was some poor CGI and all the random ass creatures, like wtf was the scene where Luke milks that one random animal, and later swings across the cliff? I still can't make up my mind for this movie, as there was some parts I really loved but things like the Reylo force texting topless scenes really dragged it down.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:20 AM

Still trying to process my thoughts on the film, was definitely different but...yeah. The action scenes were great though, really loved the Rey/Kylo dynamic.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:48 AM

Could I ask a favor for anyone commenting on this thread to quote the Non-spolier heading posted by zybl2; therefore, any person visiting the site would not accidentally run into spoilers merely by going to the homepage of Deadlystream, where the feed is updated by each new thread post.

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:46 AM

Let me say loud and proud, I absolutely hated this movie. Those of you who can cast your mind back two years ago might remember that I was one of the staunchest critics of TFA. However, at least with TFA, the fundamentals weren't terrible. Sure, it was a pale imitation, but a well-crafted one.

This movie...where can one begin?

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I could go on and on but I think you guys get the gist.

 


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

A lot of those are pretty dumb and TLJ at least did something new and unexpected instead of rehashing TESB like I expected it to.

 

(is that sentence long enough not to show spoilers on the front page?)

 

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:33 AM

Just saw it. Still processing, but I don't think I liked it.

Some of it has to do with subverted expectations, some of it has to do with general dislike of some artistic choices made.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:55 AM

Really disappointed. There were parts I enjoyed but overall ~ meh. ⭐️⭐️ out of 4.

These last 3 movies are making the prequel trilogy look better and better.
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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:48 AM

These last 3 movies are making the prequel trilogy look better and better.

 

Can you elaborate?



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

Well, let's throw in my voice... the voice of utter disappointment.

When coming out of Rogue One, which I loved, I was having high hopes for a "new" Star Wars story, rather than the rehash VII was. To my disappointment, VIII butchers it completely and utterly.

I'm not going into it point per point like you guys, I'll just stick to the major disappointments.

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That's all that comes to mind to me right now. Really really disappointing, and I doubt I'll watch IX in the cinema. My interest in Star Wars movies is just... gone. And that's a shame since Rogue One was FREAKING AWESOME.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

I'm trying to not include too many spoilers, but there are some so be warned.

Just saw and I was overwhelmed. so much stuff happened in this movie, so much of it was bold. The first ~30 minutes or so had some really silly moments, but I'm glad these got all put at the start of the movie so that they don't interfere with once the plot picks up pace. I also really liked how Kylo Ren changed. Him being a Darth Vader impersonator in TFA because he was still conflicted about his alignment finally got acknowledged and dealt with in a good way.

A lot in this movie surprised me and the few scenes that payed homage to Episode 5 and 6 really hit the spot too. 
 
I think the best way to describe this movie is by quoting the General Grievous meme: "Rian Johnson, you are a bold one !"
I would give it an 85/100. I still disappointed me a bit but the silly scenes and some bad effects like 

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It also kinda irked me how some stuff only made sense if you read some recent novels or comics like "From a certain point of view" or that Leia novel. 

But at the same time the movie had two scenes that almost made me cry. 


I miss the old Revan,

The amnesia Revan, switching them sides Revan

I hate the new Revan, the Legends Revan

SWTOR Revan, beefin with everyone Revan

I miss the cool Revan, "Heart of the Force" Revan

See I invented Revan, It wasn't any Revans

And now I look and look around and see Darth Maul is Revan

I used to love Revan, I used to love Revan

I even had that Red Mask, I thought I was Revan

What if Revan turned out to be Revan

And he relises he was Revan ? Man, that'd be so Revan

That's all it was Revan, we still love Revan

And I love you like Revan loves Revan

 

 


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:48 PM

When coming out of Rogue One, which I loved,

I heard this really cool quote in one of (very positive) TLJ's reviews: "And I bet a lot of your Star Wars loving friends will be like "hmmm I didn't like it", and if they say that, I will appreciate that if you could ask them if they liked Rogue One. And I promise you that 80% of the time they will say they loved it, and they liked that it was edgy and fights were cool and the walkers on the beach were so awesome."


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:24 PM

*I liked the duality of the Rebellion (their willingness to assassinate, just not pure good guys).
*Darth Vader, obviously
*The final battles in space and on the ground.
*The everyone dies ending or that they did all that to never get any recognition, just for the good of the galaxy.
*I liked the floor battle on the Crystal planet.
*How it explained the weakness of the Death Star (not that by new lore we couldn't have just hyperspaced through it making it all pointless)
*It was rather refreshing to have no Jedi to speak off, even if we got some Force Sensitives.
*The droid was actually funny.

Dislikes:
*I am one with the force, the force is one with me...I am one with the force, the force is one with me...I am one with the force, the force is one with me...I am one with the force, the force is one with me...I am one with the force, the force is one with me...
SHUT UP! SSSSSHHHHHHUUUUTT UP!
*The guy they look up on the Crystal planet is kind of wasted and doesn't go very far and then he dies as the planet explodes.
*CGI Leia

Fit the mold?

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:43 PM

*How it explained the weakness of the Death Star (not that by new lore we couldn't have just hyperspaced through it making it all pointless)

I doubt hyperspace jumping against something as big as the Death Star with a warship would have the same effect as it had with the Supremacy (which was pretty thin) in TLJ. 

Hyperspace has always been whatever the plot needed it to be. Rogue One already broke the rules by allowing the crew to jump off Jakku while still being affected by that planet's gravity.  


I miss the old Revan,

The amnesia Revan, switching them sides Revan

I hate the new Revan, the Legends Revan

SWTOR Revan, beefin with everyone Revan

I miss the cool Revan, "Heart of the Force" Revan

See I invented Revan, It wasn't any Revans

And now I look and look around and see Darth Maul is Revan

I used to love Revan, I used to love Revan

I even had that Red Mask, I thought I was Revan

What if Revan turned out to be Revan

And he relises he was Revan ? Man, that'd be so Revan

That's all it was Revan, we still love Revan

And I love you like Revan loves Revan

 

 


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:44 PM

I liked the duality of the rebellion but that never went everywhere, then you list a lot of fluff that sometimes was cool, but did nothing for the movie as a whole (Vader's scene is a perfect example of that), but you skipped unlikable characters with no personality, stormtroopers more incompetent than ever, lack of any kind of meaningful or interesting story, lack of any kind of stakes or suspense because we know they're gonna get a thing before they even know what that thing is and a terrible, uncharismatic lead actress, surrounded by useless fan service (Vader being the prime example, though things like a mention of Kenobi and random 3PO cameo were much worse), all to fill in an imaginary plot hole that ANH already covered ("its defenses are designed around a large scale assault, a small one man fighter should be able to penetrate it" was enough, and really didn't have to be explained).

 

Whole movie was a perfect example of fan service and telling stories of things we know, which was indeed the opposite of how The Last Jedi played with everyone's expectations and tried to do something new.



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:55 PM

 

I heard this really cool quote in one of (very positive) TLJ's reviews: "And I bet a lot of your Star Wars loving friends will be like "hmmm I didn't like it", and if they say that, I will appreciate that if you could ask them if they liked Rogue One. And I promise you that 80% of the time they will say they loved it, and they liked that it was edgy and fights were cool and the walkers on the beach were so awesome."

 

Jenny Nicholson, right?
I've seen this in my circle of friends as well, I could go into why I did not like Rogue One but that's not what this post is for.
 
As for TLJ, it was okay, there were some very good things about it and some things I didn't really get.
 
First of, the Finn/Rose/Casino subplot was really slow. I'd rather they'd cut that in order to focus on Rey/Luke/Kylo, which was way more interesting throughout the film. 
 
The throne room scene and subsequent fight scene were very well done and excitingly choreographed and filmed.
 
I liked the film for playing with and subverting the audience's expactations. After the TFA people wanted something new and fresh, they got it. 
 
I liked that Rey is a nobody. If she was another Skywalker or Kenobi it would make the galaxy feel really small.  Other families are allowed to be Jedi and heroes as well, right?
 
I did not care for purplehair one bit and I believe her role and sacrifice should have gone to Admiral Ackbar. (Killing the First Order's ship with a... trap, perhaps?)
 
Leia spacewalk was stupid and unexplained and I wish they wouldn't have done it. It felt as a good place to kill the character. 
 
I liked this film for deepening the audience's understanding of the story's universe. Viewing the trilogy as a three act structure the second act is ideal for doing just that (see Ep. V with Yoda training Luke). In this film they went further into what the Force is and how it always strives for Balance (Prequel Prophecy, anyone?). Plus they gave us insight into Ben's motivation, part of me wanted Rey to join him. However the movie dropped the ball with one of its biggest subjects: Snoke. By killing him they made it impossible to answer the question of who/what he is. IF this gets explained in the next movie, audience won't care because he is already dead. IF he is somehow still alive in some form it lessens the impact of his death. It's a catch-22.
 
I respect this film for taking chances. Some worked out, some did not.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:07 PM

 

Jenny Nicholson, right?

 

That is correct (edit some more lines so spoiler won't show up on front page)

 

I liked that Rey is a nobody. If she was another Skywalker or Kenobi it would make the galaxy feel really small.  Other families are allowed to be Jedi and heroes as well, right?

I didn't even think about who she is after TFA, then when Kylo revealed them to be "nobodies" I figured he's lying and it's a set up for a different answer in the sequel.

Apparently, Johnson confirmed that it was honest so that kinda sucks.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 02:02 AM

How I felt after watching the movie :

 

*R. Johnson tries to kill the franchise*

Star Wars : "The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger."

 

I wasn't especially amazed by TFA even if I did think it was good, but I really hope Abrams will find a way to fix the mess Ryan Johnson left behind in terms plot.

 

  • Snoke, most powerful being ever? Nah, let's have his apprentice will him in the most ridiculous way.
  • Let's create a thick mystery around Rey's lineage. Nah, she's just nobody who turns out to be the most powerful Jedi ever without any training.
  • Luke, who brought one of the most corrupted and evil force user back to the light, considers, even for a brief second, to kill the son of his sister and his best friend because he senses darkness in him.
  • Luke, after Kylo destroyed the new Jedi Order, exiles to an unknown planet and leaves a map that leads there in R2. Nah, he went there because he wanted to die and nobody to find him.
  • No attempt has been made to make the First Order look even a little less ridiculous and incompetent.
  • The hole plot of Finn and Rose could have been avoided if Amiral Holdo cared enough to share the plan to the crew or even just Poe Dameron.

 

There's a bunch of things this movie did incredibly right, but I can't forgive those poor mistakes. I didn't care about Rey being a Mary Sue in TFA because I just assumed it would be given a reasonable why in the next movie.

 

Shame, Disney, shame.






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