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#1 jc2

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 05:47 PM

I'm finally announcing > Mandalorian Lehon Expansion

 

There are three parts of this mod: plot, usable content, and characters.

 

Plot changes to Lehon include: main quest to get inside the temple now has an additional option of entering without working with the Rakata. Three sidequests are added.

 

Working with either Rakata tribes includes a required bonus mission. 

I've created a triangle to the plot, no longer is the PC trapped between helping one tribe over the other. 

Now you can kill both of them! (And still enter the temple)

 

Mandalorians are added as the third faction. They will have their own base (module). 

 

Added in two optional battles if you side with the Mandalorians.

 

Part 2: Usable content. With any decent size mod, there will be a few new items and such. 

> Mandalorians have 9 different additional skins.

> Mandalorians have several "late game" specific blasters, allowing players to use more than the Baragwin monopolized weapons.

> A few swords.

> Some of the armor will be wearable by the PC

> Readable datapads giving lore background

 

 

Part 3: Characters. 

I have several unique characters, with armor sets unique to them.

Several characters will be voiced in Mando'a, the Mandalorian tongue by fan speakers.

Some intrigue and mystery, with fully fleshed out story to explain or imply explanation to several things. 

Names, personality, lore, and since they are Mandalorians they know Canderous!

 

I've got 99% of the story fleshed out, 75% of the work completed, 95% of the dialogue by characters finished.

 

 

Four issues remain before release: TSLpatcher, Voice Overs are still coming in, several bugs/beta testing, K1R compatibility has to be tested, and lastly a fifth for unforeseen issues.

 

The overall goal is to extend Lehon and add in some Mandalorians.

 

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 06:08 PM

I'll take two please. 

 

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to this. 


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Posted 05 May 2017 - 06:17 PM

Count me in for beta testing.... and for adding this mod to my super-incompatible mod list, making it so messy that it's less-than-none likely to look on it and help. I just love big storyline mods so much.

As would one rusty droid comment on it, "Hyperbolic Enthusiasm: I'm hyped for that mod"!
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Posted 05 May 2017 - 06:20 PM

Count me in for beta testing.... and for adding this mod to my super-incompatible mod list, making it so messy that it's less-than-none likely to look on it and help. I just love big storyline mods so much.

As would one rusty droid comment on it, "Hyperbolic Enthusiasm: I'm hyped for that mod"!

I will keep you in mind when I have a working demo. 


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Quick Link to my mods > http://deadlystream....7d5a7b201f4077f

 

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 12:00 AM

Holy cow that sounds amazing! And props to you for the good work ethic before announcing it  :thumbup:

 

Can't wait to see more progress.


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 01:03 AM

I will keep you in mind when I have a working demo. 

Did you sort out quest logs? xD


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#7 jc2

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 03:54 AM

Did you sort out quest logs? xD

 

No the Quest log is killing me. I can't get any of the jrl tools to work. I've even tried using kotor tool and K-GFF editor, still unable to correctly tinker with it. 

I've put the getting the quest log on the backburner. I don't think it is that essential. 


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"To ponder and find relevance, one must seek out a quote," because his own words lack the credibility to endeavor to explain his rather odd disposition.

 

Grey Jedi "Shanilia" > http://deadlystream..../1044-shanilia/

 

Quick Link to my mods > http://deadlystream....7d5a7b201f4077f

 

Thank you FS for past and current modding help! 


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 07:23 AM

No the Quest log is killing me. I can't get any of the jrl tools to work. I've even tried using kotor tool and K-GFF editor, still unable to correctly tinker with it.
I've put the getting the quest log on the backburner. I don't think it is that essential.

I think the quests are indeed that essential. We receive journal entries for every single mission in game, I really hate when something is undocumented, especially a quest as big as finding a way to enter the temple.

Tomb of Azgath N'Dul and Dustil Restoration include full quests. Maybe you should ask Darth InSidious and Fallen Guardian about how do they edit the journal.

You can also edit the journal through TSLPatcher, which would be essential for these who already have global.jrl in their Override anyway. Maybe you should take a look at changes.ini of aforementioned mods and BoS: SR, not only it introduces many of new journal entries, it is also for K1, in case of differences between JRL formats in two games.

Or you should ask Fair Strides. He knows everything.

On the other hand, if you have not made the voices yet, I suggest asking Zhaboka for Mandalorians. His Kazius in Korriban Expansion for K2 sounded just like default Mandalorians in game.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 08:50 AM

On the other hand, if you have not made the voices yet, I suggest asking Zhaboka for Mandalorians. His Kazius in Korriban Expansion for K2 sounded just like default Mandalorians in game.

This information that follows - previously posted elsewhere - applies here as well.

I'm not involved with this project so take what I say with a grain of salt. From what I've seen with any mod involving them, voiceovers should always be done last. Two points to consider . . .

- Lines change often: Volunteers that record one set of perfect recordings maybe not available down the road so it's best to record a part's lines all at once. Since dialogue (followed by voiceovers) tends to be the last thing to be finalized, that's why recordings tend to be done best when done last. Keep in mind, you might be available all the way through but I'm sure you are not the only part or actor under consideration.
- They aren't as important as the other parts of the mod: If you don't have everything else worked out in the mod - cutscenes, character movement, etc - then voiceovers recorded early will emphasize that things were rushed.

TLDR: Think of voiceovers as the cherry on top of the ice cream sundae. You have to make the rest of the sundae before you put that cherry there.


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 11:15 AM

This information that follows - previously posted elsewhere - applies here as well.

It was just a suggestion for future, I recommended Zhaboka in case JC2 hasn't started doing VOs yet because I considered he could have started them as during the time of creation of this WIP the dialogues were 95% finished.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 11:35 AM

It was just a suggestion for future.


My point was: He shouldn't consider it. Until he's ready. Anything else is foolhardy.


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 12:54 PM

No the Quest log is killing me. I can't get any of the jrl tools to work. I've even tried using kotor tool and K-GFF editor, still unable to correctly tinker with it. 

I've put the getting the quest log on the backburner. I don't think it is that essential. 

 

You really should get the quests working before releasing the mod as those are pretty essential for a quality mod.

 

Anyway, I might be able to help with the journal entries as I've had issues with those as well. In the end there were two working methods that I discovered: Using dialog.tlk entries and JRLEdit or using K-GFF. In the latter case I only used JRLEdit as a reference and to find certain quests. I'd recommend going for that method as adding lines to dialog.tlk can be quite tedious especially while you're still working on the mod. So what I did is the following (this is for adding entries to existing quests):

 

I'd use JRLEdit to find the quest and its tag. Then I'd open global.jrl in k-gff and search for the tag. Once you have the right quest, simply right-click one of its entry structs to copy it and then paste it in the same position. Now give it the next available Struct ID and change the StringRef to -1. Finally right-click the StringRef and select Add String. Type your text into that field and save the gff file. That's it.

 

Creating an entirely new quest would probably work in the same way except that you'd copy an entire quest instead of one entry.


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 06:29 PM

You really should... etc

 

 

I think the quests are ... etc

 

This information that follows - previously posted elsewhere - applies here as well.
 

 

I have heard enough. I will once again attempt to get the quest logs working, when I begin that work I will most likely seek out help. 

To be honest it was not something that I ever used in kotor 1, I completely forgot about it most of the time. Nevertheless, it will be apart of it now.

 

@Kexikus I have tried two of those methods without success. I will try again following more closely with what you said.

 

@SH Yes, I already have the lines finalized as I want them, the translations and the voicing is happening at the moment. I am not a foolish person, I have also read your advise and agree with it/practiced it.

 

@Anyone who mentioned Zhaboka. I have not asked, and would not impose upon him in a thread before going to him in person. 

 

About the voice acting in general I have most of that covered, and unless Zhaboka speaks Mando'a fluently I would be unable to use him. 


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"To ponder and find relevance, one must seek out a quote," because his own words lack the credibility to endeavor to explain his rather odd disposition.

 

Grey Jedi "Shanilia" > http://deadlystream..../1044-shanilia/

 

Quick Link to my mods > http://deadlystream....7d5a7b201f4077f

 

Thank you FS for past and current modding help! 


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 06:41 PM

I have heard enough. I will once again attempt to get the quest logs working, when I begin that work I will most likely seek out help.
To be honest it was not something that I ever used in kotor 1, I completely forgot about it most of the time. Nevertheless, it will be apart of it now.

@Kexikus I have tried two of those methods without success. I will try again following more closely with what you said.

@SH Yes, I already have the lines finalized as I want them, the translations and the voicing is happening at the moment. I am not a foolish person, I have also read your advise and agree with it/practiced it.

@Anyone who mentioned Zhaboka. I have not asked, and would not impose upon him in a thread before going to him in person.

About the voice acting in general I have most of that covered, and unless Zhaboka speaks Mando'a fluently I would be unable to use him.

I meant rather the Basic part. Mandalorians don't speak Mando'a all the time.

But it can't be that hard, considering that, as far as I know, it's just reading, as we have never heard the proper pronounciation of Mandalorian language.

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 09:52 PM

I meant rather the Basic part. Mandalorians don't speak Mando'a all the time.

But it can't be that hard, considering that, as far as I know, it's just reading, as we have never heard the proper pronounciation of Mandalorian language.

You would be very wrong indeed. The proper pronunciation does exist, has been spoken, and is spoken. If you are into the latest Disney abomination of star wars, there is actually spoken Mando'a in it when some Mandalorian guy speaks to the main character mandalorian lady. I don't know the characters because I do not like the show > http://starwarsrebel...m/wiki/Mando'a 

 

Nevertheless, Karen Travis created the Mando'a tongue and there are pronunciation rules, as well as other elements of language that would be boring to elaborate on. 

 

Regardless, I have not asked him, and since every other Mandalorian on the base is speaking in their native tongue. It would disrupt the flow of the mod, mess with the feel. 

 

I am curious on why you seem so interested in having his voice in the mod? Do you like his voice and, or trust his voice to sound well? 


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"To ponder and find relevance, one must seek out a quote," because his own words lack the credibility to endeavor to explain his rather odd disposition.

 

Grey Jedi "Shanilia" > http://deadlystream..../1044-shanilia/

 

Quick Link to my mods > http://deadlystream....7d5a7b201f4077f

 

Thank you FS for past and current modding help! 


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 10:49 PM

Or you should ask Fair Strides. He knows everything.

 

Not quite, as I've just found out with DarthTyren on Skype while investigating how the games scale enemies. I know almost everything and can probably help find the rest. ;)

 

Anyway, I might be able to help with the journal entries as I've had issues with those as well. In the end there were two working methods that I discovered: Using dialog.tlk entries and JRLEdit or using K-GFF.

 

He has had issues getting JRLEdit to work. I pretty much abandoned the tool when I began working on the Toolset, but it'll still be a bit before I get to the JRL part of it...

 

@JC2: I'll contact you on Discord, but I can probably give some time to look at and try to figure out the issue with JRLEdit.


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#17 superSzym

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:21 AM

You would be very wrong indeed. The proper pronunciation does exist, has been spoken, and is spoken. If you are into the latest Disney abomination of star wars, there is actually spoken Mando'a in it when some Mandalorian guy speaks to the main character mandalorian lady. I don't know the characters because I do not like the show > http://starwarsrebel...m/wiki/Mando'a

Nevertheless, Karen Travis created the Mando'a tongue and there are pronunciation rules, as well as other elements of language that would be boring to elaborate on.

Regardless, I have not asked him, and since every other Mandalorian on the base is speaking in their native tongue. It would disrupt the flow of the mod, mess with the feel.

I am curious on why you seem so interested in having his voice in the mod? Do you like his voice and, or trust his voice to sound well?

Actually, the reason is that on Newbiemodder's Korriban Expansion, there's a Mandalorian called Kazius. He was voiced by Zhaboka, but I didn't realize it until I read a credits section of aforementioned mod's Deadly Stream downloaded page. All the time when Kazius appeared, I thought that he uses some unused Mandalorian lines or his voice was spliced well from other Mandalorians' lines.

That's pretty much all about it.

Also, the Mandalorians speak Basic fluently in KotOR, it would be weird if on Lehon, they speak only Mando'a, though some lines in that language, or a good explanation why they don't speak Basic, would be welcome.

On the other hand, I think that the voice-overs done for Shanilia should be improved a bit, as they're more silent and less clear than the game VOs. If that won't be a problem, if you're about to do some more VOs, focus on their volume a bit more.

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 04:37 PM

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I actually love that the Mandos on Lehon will speak only Mando'a, helps reinforce the stranded splinter group vibe. Very excited for this mod!


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 06:36 PM

Actually, the reason is that on Newbiemodder's Korriban Expansion, there's a Mandalorian called Kazius. He was voiced by Zhaboka, but I didn't realize it until I read a credits section of aforementioned mod's Deadly Stream downloaded page. All the time when Kazius appeared, I thought that he uses some unused Mandalorian lines or his voice was spliced well from other Mandalorians' lines.

That's pretty much all about it.

Also, the Mandalorians speak Basic fluently in KotOR, it would be weird if on Lehon, they speak only Mando'a, though some lines in that language, or a good explanation why they don't speak Basic, would be welcome.

On the other hand, I think that the voice-overs done for Shanilia should be improved a bit, as they're more silent and less clear than the game VOs. If that won't be a problem, if you're about to do some more VOs, focus on their volume a bit more.

I think most mandos use basic in Kotor because 99% of people would not understand their native language. This group being seperated from the galaxy for some time and talking among themselves. Speaking Mando makes sense as every one in their camp would speak their native toungue and would want to preserve it.

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:40 PM

I think most mandos use basic in Kotor because 99% of people would not understand their native language. This group being seperated from the galaxy for some time and talking among themselves. Speaking Mando makes sense as every one in their camp would speak their native toungue and would want to preserve it.

Helloooooo hahahaaaaa nice to see I have a reputation I guess???

I actually love that the Mandos on Lehon will speak only Mando'a, helps reinforce the stranded splinter group vibe. Very excited for this mod!

Now that I'm thinking about it perhaps you're right, these Mandalorians differ from ones in the vanilla game as they are basically living isolated from the galaxy on a planet far away from civilisation.

@JC2, could you bring us some lovely screenshots, please? Also, don't take my previous note about voices wrong as it could have sounded rude. I just meant that it would be nice if you could adjust the volume and the clarity of VOs that you make as they differ from vanilla a bit. Also, I hope the Mandalorians will have a proper filter for their voices. If you don't know how to do so, Zhaboka could be helpful again. I think you're destinied to speak with him about these voices :-): (though in a different purpose than previosly suggested)
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