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#61 CrashBandiTeam

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 09:26 PM

If you already kill Juhani, you can make it in a scene, fighting Juhani would be cool, but a scene would say all what it says, or Bastila vs Juhani , cuz execution.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 09:36 PM

A potential idea might be to have this conversation on the Ebon Hawk instead of on Dantooine in the Jedi enclave, this is probably harder to script. Still, having the converstaion right next to dozens of Jedi seems strange... especially if you decide to kill her right then and there. However, if you do decide on the location being there, perhaps include Juhani's girlfriend (Belena was it?) into the conversation to defend the PC's action of keeping Juhani and Juhani's potential/inevitable "redemption."  


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 09:39 PM

Bastila suggests you to leave Juhani on Dantooine, this could lead to an argue, when her and Juhani start fighting with weapons. In defense of Bastila you could kill Juhani or it would be Bastila who accidentally slays her. Belaya the Cryptolesbian comes with tears in the eyes. Sounds good.

Maybe also add another DS option: "Bastila, you're right. Dark Jedi are dangerous. But keeping one alive could result in danger for the Jedi Enclave. I must execute her". This will make Juhani (and Belaya) really sad.

For the two middle options that sound unconvincing, there could be:
  • Bastila, leaving Juhani on Dantooine could prove dangerous for fauna of the Grove. We must take her away from here.
  • I already trust her more than I trust you, Princess. That's because your endless delations could quickly sabotage our mission.
And yeah, having Belaya on your side could be a wonderful idea. Also, having the conversation on Dantooine would bring other nice opportunities, like Belaya running to Bastila with a lightsaber, Deesra shouting something like "What happened?", one of the party members could say "Just a little argument". You could also make Deesra matter more than just standing and speaking boring things. You could give an option to explain everything, call an argument an accident and make him not go to the Council to preserve the honor of the dead or saying that Juhani came to the Enclave to kill you if you decided to execute her himself, call it self-defense. He could then go to the Council and tell them the fate of Juhani and they will just sum it up that it is sad that she couldn't be saved. Belaya could show her hatred to you before or after that.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:16 AM

That all sounds wonderful, but having that conversation on Dantooine is simply impossible with the storyline of this mod^^

So it will happen on the Ebon Hawk. That way I get less possible characters to interact which is kinda sad as your suggestion sounds pretty good, but it also requires me to get less VOs done and that's a very very big plus for this^^

 

Anyway, thanks for all of your suggestions.


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:51 AM

Deesra speaks Twi'leki. Belaya speaks about her love for Juhani for long enough to splice her reactions for these scenarios, I think, and she could preach to Bastila in the way she confronts the player .

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 10:34 AM

As I said, The conversation cannot happen on Dantooine due to The way The Story Works.

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Posted 10 March 2017 - 11:22 PM

Hey Kexikus,

Any news with this WIP? 

Do you plan to change the head of Juhani to make her look more darkside?


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Posted 11 March 2017 - 07:35 AM

I've got an idea, what if she was damaged- Malak/Darth Vader style and then you could have her fall unconscious, in fact it could work vanilla style until you either decide to kill her. (With some alternative dialogue options of course.)
But when she's near death she "dies" and then you get the option to drag her corpse back to the medical bay for reconstructive surgery or kill her while she sleeps.

Like a dark twist on Zev from Dragon Age.

I suppose I suggest this because then you could have a sort of implant looking thing on Juhani's face and you could change her VA completely and put a filter on the voice.

You could even have her progress to a full Darth Vader style cyborg if you wished.
Also harming her enough to warrant this and then taking her on as a sort of quasi- apprentice would harken back to Malak in a funny way. Just my suggestion.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 07:48 AM

Hey Kexikus,

Any news with this WIP? 

Do you plan to change the head of Juhani to make her look more darkside?

 

I was going to give you an update after this weekend, but since you ask: Here you go:

 

I finished the party member dialog as well as every other Juhani dialog and the journal entries. The only thing left before this mod is "feature complete" and ready for testing is the Bastila conversation which I plan on getting done this weekend. Then the mod needs to be tested, some polishing needs to be done and once everything is set in stone I need to get voice actors.

 

I've got an idea, what if she was damaged- Malak/Darth Vader style and then you could have her fall unconscious, in fact it could work vanilla style until you either decide to kill her. (With some alternative dialogue options of course.)
But when she's near death she "dies" and then you get the option to drag her corpse back to the medical bay for reconstructive surgery or kill her while she sleeps.

Like a dark twist on Zev from Dragon Age.

I suppose I suggest this because then you could have a sort of implant looking thing on Juhani's face and you could change her VA completely and put a filter on the voice.

You could even have her progress to a full Darth Vader style cyborg if you wished.
Also harming her enough to warrant this and then taking her on as a sort of quasi- apprentice would harken back to Malak in a funny way. Just my suggestion.

 

That's a nice idea, however I'm waaaay too far in the development of this mod to completely change the story to something like this. Thanks for the suggestion though.


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 11:24 AM

Will you release it for a public testing or will it be a closed testing done by you and possibly only few more people?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:31 PM

BIG NEWS:

The mod is now gameplay complete :)

 

This does not imply that the mod is fully complete or even close to being done but it is a big step in the right direction.

At this point there are now two major objectives left:

1. Create and implement all the voice over (including recording, voice splicing and lip synching).

2. Test the mod and improve it.

 

The voices cannot be done before the lines are set in stone so that obviously means that testing is the next thing that needs to be done. This will require multiple playthroughs of pretty much the entire game and that's where you come in:

 

I need you guys to help me test this mod.

 

This requires that you do a full playthrough of the game with some specific choices I need you to make. You cannot use other mods in this playthrough (except for texture mods) and I need you to report every issue you find.

Keep in mind that the mod is not completed so there are probably several bugs and it will generally not be a polished experience. Also, playing through the game takes time and while I understand this, I don't want to wait a year for you to complete the game or maybe not complete it at all.

If none of that discourages you, please send me a PM and I'll let you know what exactly I need.

If you don't feel like playing through the game just for this but would still like to help, I could use someone to read through Juhani's party member dialog for me to check for inconsistencies and other errors. If you're interested to do this, send me a PM.

 

Thanks for the interest in my mod, I'll keep you updated on the progress :)



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Posted 05 May 2017 - 11:01 AM

I just completed my own playthrough of KotOR with the Dark Side Juhani mod installed, so I figured it's time for a small update.

 

Thanks to all the people helping me test this mod I now have a list of 55 bugs to fix, oversights to correct and improvements to make. Three more playthroughs are in progress so that number will probably rise some more but the big issues have hopefully been found already.

 

Now it's time to start fixing those and I've no idea how long that will take. Some of these issues are very small things that will be fixed in a few minutes each, others might take longer depending on how fast I can figure out what's causing an issue.

 

At this point I have to say THANK YOU to everyone who is testing this mod for me. This is a tremendous help and I couldn't have found all the issues without you. Thanks to you this mod will be way better polished once it's actually done. Thank you :)



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Posted 05 May 2017 - 10:04 PM

Seeing as I failed rather epically to proofread the dialog like I said I would, I volunteer any help required for the bug-fixing.


(By the way, if you ever want to ask about one of the quotes, feel free to send me a PM)

 

My personal, made-up quote: "To know is good, but to act is better."

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 10:19 PM

Seeing as I failed rather epically to proofread the dialog like I said I would, I volunteer any help required for the bug-fixing.

 

You could still do the proofreading if you want to ;) But it's no problem if you don't get to it.

 

I'll be coming back to you once I get lost in some scripting issues or other things I can't solve.



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Posted 06 May 2017 - 06:08 PM

I just found this site, and registered today, so I'm totally a newbie, but...I do have a degree in English as well as some technical skills, so I might be able to assist with the proofreading.

 

Just wanted to throw that out there. 

 

LMK if you are interested.  I'm a KOTOR fan, and just started getting back into it and the modding community.  It's amazing how these games have held up after all these years.

 

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 05:33 PM

Hey, looking forward to this, once released.

Normally i'd volunteer to test it as well, but im doing LS playthrough, with plenty of mods :/

Speaking of mods, do you know - at this point- if there are mods that will surely be incompatible with this, once released?



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:14 PM

Speaking of mods, do you know - at this point- if there are mods that will surely be incompatible with this, once released?

 

Recruitment mods that replace Juhani with a new character will obviously be incompatible.

Mods that alter Juhani's appearance will be incompatible but can receive a compability patch.

 

Other than that, I don't know yet. I have a list of mods that I want it to be compatible with, so I'll try to get these compatibilities done or provide a patch, but I can't say which ones yet (except for K1R, which will definetly be compatible).



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:30 PM

Recruitment mods that replace Juhani with a new character will obviously be incompatible.
Mods that alter Juhani's appearance will be incompatible but can receive a compability patch.
 
Other than that, I don't know yet. I have a list of mods that I want it to be compatible with, so I'll try to get these compatibilities done or provide a patch, but I can't say which ones yet (except for K1R, which will definetly be compatible).

For the time being, I can recommend you making compatibility patches for these mods:
Catlike Juhani (for dark side Juhani to use appearance from this mod or an altered one), K1 Enhancement Pack (for Juhani to come with items from that mod), Weapons of the Old Republic (for dark side Juhani to come with a proper lightsaber), Brotherhood of SShadows: Solomon's Revenge (for dark side Juhani to appear properly on the temple summit; this could also include add-ons for Catlike Juhani and K1 Enhancement Pack - to include red revelaing/gray suit instead of default one, and for WotOR for Juhani to have a red lightsaber instead of a blue one if dark side and maybe by the way put WOTOR exclusive weapons into hands of rest of party members, these I would recommend to be UTC patchers instead of replacers as K1EP is compatible with WOTOR and it would be nice to have both a suit and a lightsaber).

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 03:15 AM

^^^

 

That's going to be at least eight different install options, so if you do go through with that, I'll be around to help with the installer and proof it before it's tested.


(By the way, if you ever want to ask about one of the quotes, feel free to send me a PM)

 

My personal, made-up quote: "To know is good, but to act is better."

"Words are just words, thoughts thoughts, but actions...actions are progress." - Fair Strides

"Intelligence and respect are all it takes to get along fine. Not a bad trade off, huh?" - EwigD from GameFaqs

"And regarding butchering the language, I have been to the internet. The language is well butchered regularly." - Malkior

 

"You can either live with the lies or die with the truth. Who would rather lie to live than die for telling the truth?" - Fair Strides


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Posted 10 August 2017 - 03:20 AM

Hey Kexikus,

I was just wondering if you are still working on this mod considering it's been about three months since anyone has commented.






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